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Post by yogaflame on Mar 20, 2012 9:50:59 GMT 8
Weiss is fine for now, But I hope we will still get the services of Mcmenemy for the youth team the U-23 U-21 , etc.
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Post by stellarboy on Mar 20, 2012 10:52:11 GMT 8
Weiss is fine for now, But I hope we will still get the services of Mcmenemy for the youth team the U-23 U-21 , etc. ...which we doubt of it because Zoran Djordevic is around. Coach Z is still under evaluation from the PFF, so we still have to wait for confirmation if they wanna keep this coach, given he's not German and therefore not covered by the DFB.
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Post by jaygee20gensaya on Jun 7, 2012 13:51:19 GMT 8
I just started this thread because i just want to now how other football fans feel about coach weiss and what he has done to the team, he was offered by the DFB to PFF to coach the azkals since early 2011 and i think his contract will expire by early 2013, so what do you think the PFF should do? extend or hire a new coach? for me, i want coach weiss' contract to be extended seeing what he has done for the team in a span of a year and a half, i think he has what it takes to be somewhat a 'permanent' coach of the senior team.
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Post by stellarboy on Jun 7, 2012 14:43:36 GMT 8
jaygee,
Merged this topic you made as it still smells like the question "Is there a need to replace Coach Weiss?"
Again, it's still a long shot to tell if the PFF has the need to extend the contract of the "Under-17" coach or replace him with a better, more experienced coach. I will give myself a few weeks after the Suzuki Cup to assess if he had made a difference to this team. And there's no such things as a "permanent" coach, only a "long-term" coach. As times change the PFF will have to realise to change their focus as they go from the emerging ones to the developing nations in football.
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Post by jaygee20gensaya on Jun 7, 2012 14:52:05 GMT 8
stellarboy. my bad, i did not see this topic before hand so i just made a new topic, but thanks for merging it. the term i was looking for was 'long-term' and i used 'permanent' because i forgot the term i was going to use. i just thought that maybe coach weiss could be you know, be like the malaysian coach in which he handles them for a long time so he knows their style of play. well, we'll just have to wait for the pff to decide on extending coach weiss contract or not.
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Post by cjeagle on Jun 12, 2012 22:23:13 GMT 8
The Guam game just reinforced my opinion that the Azkals would do better with a more experienced coach than Coach Weiss. Even after a year and a half under his tenure, the team still lacks harmony and coordination. The Guam team whose coach has only been in charge a few months, by contrast, in many ways look more organized than ours, despite the fact that their players are very inexperienced with an average age of 21 y/o and aren't as skilled as our players.
Maybe the Azkal management should take note of what a good team should look like as Sacchi described here:
"Great teams all have the same characteristic of wanting to control the pitch and the ball," Sacchi said (and I thank Paolo Bandini for putting the question to him). "Then, the players need to know when they are better off marking, and when they should be occupying space. And the point of reference should never be their opponent, but their team-mate. Football is very complicated. When you are on the attack you need to keep the right distances, have the right timing, the right methods for losing a marker. If you don't have this, the football you produce will never become that harmony. Football is a sport for teams that are in harmony. Very often teams aren't teams at all, they are just groups. And they struggle to move together.
"The desire might be there, but that is not enough. The magic that transforms a group into a team, is the play. A system of play that has to include everyone in both the attacking and the defensive phase. And in this context, it is clear that whoever is closest will have the most solutions. And by close I mean a compact team. In the defensive phase it means that you will you will burn less energy, because 10-metre runs don't wear you out like 20-, 30-, 40-metre runs.
"The team will get there first, it will be calmer because it can apply pressing, have more collaboration. And during an attacking phase it will have lots of alternatives because everyone can move. This is the difference between a very organic team, a team with great understanding, and a team that has a collective ... many teams have soloists, and these break the harmony. Barcelona don't have soloists, we didn't have soloists, Ajax didn't have soloists. We had people who played with the team, for the team, all over the pitch, for the whole game."
If you go by what Sacchi described, the Azkals under Coach Weiss are basically just a group of players and individuals and not a team. Coach Weiss philosophy is to encourage his players to always push forward, regardless of the fact that they often lose their defensive shape and compactness when they do this. They burn up so much energy doing this that they become vulnerable to counterattacks during the latter stages of the game. In my opinion, no matter how much time he is given, I don't think that we will ever develop that system of play that turns a group into a team acc. to Sacchi, under our current coach.
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Post by benzgm on Jun 13, 2012 9:05:40 GMT 8
Weiss is more suited for the grassroots program than for coaching the National Team, much less the senior squad. His in-match decision making are quite suspect and there were times when his influence, discounting the disarray, in matches are not felt at all.
Maybe Krautzun could take over the squad, being that he's German and had already been to the Phils. though highly doubtful given that he's already 70 years of age.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jun 14, 2012 17:00:16 GMT 8
Weiss is more suited for the grassroots program than for coaching the National Team, much less the senior squad. His in-match decision making are quite suspect and there were times when his influence, discounting the disarray, in matches are not felt at all. Maybe Krautzun could take over the squad, being that he's German and had already been to the Phils. though highly doubtful given that he's already 70 years of age. I dunno if he's even suited for the grassroots program. IMO, the problem of the Azkals right now is that we play at a neckbreak pace, as in we look too forward when all we have to do is let the ball do the work. If he can't fix that, I'd think this problem would follow the grassroots program. Whatever his philosophies are now will affect how the game is played in all of the Philippines, and I don't exactly like how he sees the football paradigm. cjeagle explains pretty much what I say. I feel he's behind the times, just like England's NT atm (sorry England fans). 4-4-2 doesn't cut it for me (maybe he changed after the Malaysia game since I couldn't watch Indonesia and Guam games), his fullbacks are too defensive-minded and traditional, his wingers are too wide-centric, and doesn't seem to think playing the ball is important for the team. However, my last complaint may be due to the fact that the players haven't completely gelled yet which is not exactly Weiss's faults. Despite this, I don't think he really needs changed until after the Suzuki Cup. He's made us a big team in SEA, and he deserves to manage in our biggest tournament. Regarding McMenemy, he should come back to the Philippines ASAP for the youth squads. He'd be great. And maybe he could end up being promoted. For me, the next person after Weiss who should manage the team should understand the current metagame of football. As in, play modern! The Euros is currently the easiest way to watch how the modern game is played........ minus England and Ireland. This includes playing the ball over the man, attacking fullbacks, at least one creator and one destroyer in midfield, and dynamic formations (which means role-based play over a strict shape, which is not to be confused with total football).
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Post by kulaspero15 on Jun 14, 2012 19:13:44 GMT 8
If we can afford to replace him, then why not.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jun 18, 2012 23:44:42 GMT 8
Unfortunately, as mentioned in the SEA games thread, we are going to have to wait for Coach Weiss'es contract to be done, before we can ask for a replacement from the German federation. Normally as in the case of most football nations, a debacle like these in the SEA games will result in the sacking of the coach, but because of our special arrangement with the DFB, and because the PFF and national team management do not have the means or are not willing to assume the financial burden of hiring a more experienced coach, we will have to wait until his contract runs out before any changes can be made. In other countries including his own country of Germany where football is very popular, public pressure will not make it possible to retain a coach with such a mediocre record. If anything, unlike other nations, because of our unique circumstances, where football has not yet gained the prominence it has in other countries and where expectations are corresponding low, the PFF and national team management will be given leeway to continue with the status quo. After all, just like in our society, accountability when it comes to job performance is given short shrift, compared to the financial independence that our arrangement with the DFB allows us. wow.... Wasn't aware Weiss is a product of a direct political agreement/arrangement with the German fed.
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Post by cjeagle on Jun 19, 2012 0:46:11 GMT 8
Unfortunately, as mentioned in the SEA games thread, we are going to have to wait for Coach Weiss'es contract to be done, before we can ask for a replacement from the German federation. Normally as in the case of most football nations, a debacle like these in the SEA games will result in the sacking of the coach, but because of our special arrangement with the DFB, and because the PFF and national team management do not have the means or are not willing to assume the financial burden of hiring a more experienced coach, we will have to wait until his contract runs out before any changes can be made. In other countries including his own country of Germany where football is very popular, public pressure will not make it possible to retain a coach with such a mediocre record. If anything, unlike other nations, because of our unique circumstances, where football has not yet gained the prominence it has in other countries and where expectations are corresponding low, the PFF and national team management will be given leeway to continue with the status quo. After all, just like in our society, accountability when it comes to job performance is given short shrift, compared to the financial independence that our arrangement with the DFB allows us. wow.... Wasn't aware Weiss is a product of a direct political agreement/arrangement with the German fed. Actually his salary is being paid for with the assistance of the DFB, but team management actually had a choice of German coaches to choose from, and unfortunately did not choose one with European professional coaching experience. They instead decided on a coach whose only head coaching experience was at the youth team level in Africa and as an assistant with various teams in Asia, and whose main advantage over the others is his ability and willingness to adapt to different cultures. Coach Weiss is learning on the job and to his credit has improved somewhat since the start of his tenure, but his style is still reminiscient of those coaches in the youth team level, where organization and the tactical subtleties of the game are less emphasized. Here is the original thread on him that was started back in 2010, where I first pointed out this style right after the first game against Mongolia. Initially I had high hopes for him because of Germany's reputation for organization and defensive solidity. Later on, I was dismayed at seeing how a German manager could allow his team to be so disorganized defensively. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because it was his first game, but after a year and half under his tenure, as you can see in the Guam game, the players still do not use the proper spacing required under an organized system of play and sometimes still run into each other in their haste to get the ball. usapangfootball.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=297
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Post by stellarboy on Jun 19, 2012 0:58:50 GMT 8
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Post by cjeagle on Jun 19, 2012 1:12:04 GMT 8
Indeed some forum members became too emotional and abusive about Coach Weiss, and as a result this other threads were relegated to the garbage bin, but this did not retract from the fact that an honest and intelligent critique of your national team coach or any coach for that matter, is part and parcel of a mature fanbase, as is found in other developed footballing countries. Fortunately those abusive members are no longer part of this forum. As a moderator, you should be able to distinquish between honest dialogue and critique, and those of the trolling variety. That is after all what a forum is for, a place to air your views unencumbered by the need for political correctness. BTW, the thread I linked was not relegated to the garbage bin and was the earliest thread on him started on this board way back in January 2011.
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Post by veryfatchocobo on Jun 19, 2012 15:27:53 GMT 8
IMO, it isn't really about the experience that makes a manager. It's about the footballing brain as well as the ability for individuals to play as one unit. Guardiola's past experience before Barcelona was only as their youth coach for 1 year. During his time, he brought a freshly relegated (3~ years) Barca B in the Segunda B back into Segunda A. He gave 14 trophies to Barcelona in 4 years after that. Now, he's the most sought after manager in the EPL and Serie A, despite his experience only within Barcelona for less than 6 years. Then again, my argument could be stupid considering Guardiola has always been at the highest level of football.
Now about Weiss.... IMO, it isn't the defense that's appalling, it's the fact we fail to play the ball with patience. If we can't keep organization on the ball, how do we expect to be organized off the ball? I think maybe there's an issue with his concepts (the dreaded 4-4-2....), where he assigns players by position on the field instead of by roles. It's a flaw here in America to play by field position without a definition, so all we do is play hopeful long balls with extreme physical running, which is pretty much what the Philippines is doing atm.
Take note that German football is losing its identity with strict formations and robotic play. Loew's Germany is extremely flexible with its formation (it's like an accordian really...) and very role-based. They've not only encompassed the modern game (fluidity, attacking FBs etc), they'll likely define it in the next years, especially considering Guardiola's and Spain's take on the paradigm is very extreme which is the apparently the current benchmark. Loew is a genius of a manager, and I feel he's surpassed people like Mourinho in his understanding of the game <_<. I kinda wanna see the other Bundesliga bros like Goetze with less Bayern Munich players, but I'm sure he knows much better than I regarding team selection ololol
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Post by badleftfoot on Jun 19, 2012 21:10:55 GMT 8
While I agree with some of you regarding Coach Weiss's coaching style (strategy/tactics), we also have to consider the available resources he has. The skills and soccer intelligence of our players ARE NOT there (at the very top level), except for Schrocki, Etheridge, Mulders, Lucena, and Cagara. I did not include the Younghusband brothers, and the Guirado brothers intentionally. If they are that good, then Chelsea (for PYH and JYH) would have kept them. Same with the Guirado brothers, they would have played at the top level in Spain. So, Coach W may have some ideas, but it is hard for him to implement them considering this deficiency. I guess what I am saying is that, when Coach W tells his players to keep ball, somebody in the 11, is unable to keep ball. Thus, we heard that one time "Misagh, are you normal?" (I am not picking on Misagh, but that's a symptom of not being in synch). Nonetheless, Coach W's task is to bring the team to play as a WHOLE, cohesive, organic unit. The results against Malaysia and Indonesia shows progress, to me.
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