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Post by mrpmosh on Feb 10, 2012 21:44:28 GMT 8
I also think the ban for play in the local is too harsh as well. We had a similar problem not long ago (the kids took hookers into their rooms in Ecuador before the Copa América) and they were suspended 6 months from the NT... but no ban for the local league (both are managed by the FMF, and all except Barcelona B Jonathan Dos Santos were locally based). Just some clubs punished the involved players but for their own policies, not cuz FMF asked them to do so (some like CD Guadalajara did not punish Marco Fabián at all for example). msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/copaamerica/story/mexico-prostitution-scandal-eight-players-sent-home-jonathan-dos-santos-062811
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Post by Wiking on Feb 18, 2012 10:45:47 GMT 8
If you're all wondering what Matt has been doing while under suspension, if one follows his tweets, it would seem he is: Matthew Hartmann @matthewhartmann On The Way To Training @meralcosparks @markyhartmann @rdorlas16 @philyhusband @jyh7 @hhatrick paul_y_pax @matthewhartmann So is the whole suspension "thing" just for show? Suspension committee "toothless"? I would guess he is still being paid his regular salary? ADD: this tweet is from today but he has posted similar messages for a while now.
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Post by Katipunero on Feb 18, 2012 12:10:04 GMT 8
I don't think any kind of suspension unless imposed by your club can bar you from training. I think the suspension only bans him from the playing in the UFL. Now, It's really up to the club if they want to keep paying a player they can't use If you're all wondering what Matt has been doing while under suspension, if one follows his tweets, it would seem he is: Matthew Hartmann @matthewhartmann On The Way To Training @meralcosparks @markyhartmann @rdorlas16 @philyhusband @jyh7 @hhatrick paul_y_pax @matthewhartmann So is the whole suspension "thing" just for show? Suspension committee "toothless"? I would guess he is still being paid his regular salary? ADD: this tweet is from today but he has posted similar messages for a while now.
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Post by carabao on Feb 18, 2012 19:44:50 GMT 8
he was only suspendeed for playing, that does not stop him from training . anyway i don't understand why he can't play, if he appeals his suspension it also means that meanwhile he should be able to play (this is how it's done in the belgian football association ) . still i find it unbelievable that they suspend him from teamplay, as i said before they are taking his job away from him and what you do than if a player from abraod does the same ? ban him fromplaying in the philippines : he will have a good laugh and same will be if the PFF tries to impose that to the clubs/association abroad , they will even have a bigger laugh . if i was him i would bring this to the FIFA or TASS and ask for damages .
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Post by jpmanahan on Feb 20, 2012 22:23:57 GMT 8
He can't play in the matches, but can practice with the team. If the Sparks were the ones who suspended him, he would not be joining in the practices.
Hopefully, things can be addressed. Will probably take time though, given the wheels of justice.
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Feb 21, 2012 23:46:34 GMT 8
Can anyone say in a definitive sense if all of the appeals have been filed on Matts case, and that the appeals wheels are now moving forward?
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Post by carabao on Mar 8, 2012 2:07:57 GMT 8
anywbody who knows how the situation is for the moment ? this happened in november and we are now march ? meanwhile a person is prohibited from doing his job and earning a living . is this a normal situation ? if he had killed somebody he probably would have had more rights
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 1, 2012 6:16:08 GMT 8
An Appeal from Matthew HartmannIt has been five months since the Southeast Asian Games of 2011. I have not played any football since because of my suspension. Having the game I love not to mention my livelihood taken away from me makes me feel like my life has been put on hold. I am sorry for my actions and to Filipinos everywhere who I know I let down. I am currently serving a suspension and have appealed the long-term ban that was handed out to me. Since that time, I have been cut off from my source of income. I have twice gone to the Philippine Football Federation but on both occasions they were unable to hear my appeal. My club and family have been very supportive through this difficult time but I would also like to reiterate my sincerest apologies not only to the PFF but also to the Filipino people. I am also praying for a favorable answer to my appeal. Thank you very much and God bless. Matthew Hartmann -------------------- I bumped into Matthew Hartmann today at the University of Makati and I asked him for news on his appeal and he told me that there still wasn't any news. I don't know why it is taking so long but I would like to think that the Disciplinary Committee has their hands full. Nevertheless, in my opinion, they should really commute that to a lesser punishment. It is just way too harsh. Matt gave me this statement to share. Good luck on that, Matt. (from Rick Olivares) bleachersbrew.blogspot.com/2012/03/appeal-from-matthew-hartmann.html
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Post by cilantro on Apr 1, 2012 9:08:22 GMT 8
^ he should've gone public w/ his apology before pa. at least right now, he has made known his remorse not just to the pff, but to the filipino supporters of sports in general
with this very public development, i hope his dilemma soon ends w/ a pff reconsideration
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 2, 2012 5:54:09 GMT 8
Let me be very blunt with his statement.
I seriously want the PFF to be transparent enough to explain the causes of this matter of suspending Hartmann not only with the national team but of playing in PFF-sanctioned tournaments such as the UFL. If it was indeed found sufficient that he had a very dangerous confrontation with the Green Archers team while wearing the colours of Loyola Meralco Sparks, as reports suggest after he left the SEA Games team, it should suffice. If Coach Hans Smit was involved in furnishing the complaint, then I would say this is indeed surprising.
I'd say his suspension in the UFL was due to his subsequent behaviour after he abandoned the U23 national team. But does it justify to make the PFF cut him off from his source of income?
In the rest of the footballing world, disciplinary issues regarding the NT and the local league are treated separately. For instance: in England the NT is regulated by the National FA but the Premier League teams are regulated under the Premier League and the Football League teams are regulated by the Football League. If a player misbehaves in a NT game he is punished by the National FA and if he misbehaves in a League game he is regulated by the Football League. Yes, the Football League is under the control of the FA, but that doesn't mean they have the power to bar a player from playing club football due to his misbehaviour with the NT. That would be outrage.
This is indeed overkill that the PFF can order leagues under their control an indefinite ban for delinquent national team players, and could possibly bar them from playing from foreign leagues if they forward it to higher authorities such as the AFF, the AFC and even FIFA. I think if worse goes to worst for Matt Hartmann's case, he, his brothers and his teammates might organise a strike to protest against lack of transparency and accountability of the PFF, and might file a lawsuit in the Supreme Court and the Court of Arbitration for Sport. This could definitely create a unionist agenda amongst UFL players, which is good but particularly dangerous at this time. A players' trade union will be a definite asset to the UFL (a sign of professionalism in the league) but a big blow to the PFF.
I hope this dilemma ends with a reconsideration.
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Post by xyz1000 on Apr 2, 2012 8:56:44 GMT 8
Matthew Hartmann is a jerk, and with a temper to boot. He rightly deserves to be disciplined regarding his behavior with the national team, and disciplined towards associations with the national team.
But the UFL?
I've always advocated separation between the local league (UFL) and the national association (PFF), and here is a clear case where the two organizations in cahoots with each other leads to an unfair outcome. I commented at one time that the relative independence of the MLS (major league soccer in the US) to the USSF is a strength in the growth of US soccer, and still believe so. Yes, there may be collaborations and interactions, but it's not like player decisions in one organization directly and closely affects decisions in the other organization just like it has in the case of Matthew Hartmann. If Landon Donovan for some reason has a deep disagreement with coach Jurgen Klinsmann that keeps him away from the Yanks, I can't imagine how that would affect his standing with the Los Angeles Galaxy one bit.
Let the jerk play in the UFL. If he misbehaves in the UFL, then and only then should he be banned from the UFL.
And I hope the UFL and PFF try to be more independent from each other in terms of disciplinary actions on players and on personnel decisions.
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 2, 2012 9:36:28 GMT 8
The PFF is opening a can of worms here, xyz1000.
Matt Hartmann's a jerk in the senior NT, notwithstanding his first and latest, if not last, goal for the national team in a friendly match against Nepal. But when he blew it for the U-23 NT during the SEA Games, there I observed he was a more than a jerk. His demeanour was mere reduced to that of a 10 year-old kid. He could have been influenced his younger brother Mark to act like that considering his immature tweet during the Long Teng Cup and his constant tantrums during league games. I wondered how the elder brother Darren copes with this situation.
His misbehaviour post-SEA Games is something worth investigating. His confrontation with a collegiate team that is related to a UFL club (DLSU Green Archers) is something threatening as a player for Loyola. It should have not happened if he was given some slack time off his club team as it could have been a surprise for Loyola to see him not play for the U23 NT.
He has been playing very sluggishly, evident during the UFL Cup finals with Air Force, which could have been a by-product of his post-SEA Games behaviour. Now that he is unable to play for Loyola until possibly the end of season, he is under threat of being dropped from the Loyola lineup for the next season, since why would you want to play someone you can't use because of a PFF suspension?
But now Matt is expressing a deep remorse. He has to pay his consequences. But it deeply hurts him not to earn income from the sport that he loves. Having experience playing and being paid in English clubs before the brothers moved to the PI, this is something hurtful and degrading for him. Suspending him from all football not only does it hurt the player from toning his skills, its also hurts his club team and the NT by denying the player to play football. It would stall the development of a very talented player who even scored in his latest appearance against Nepal.
What would be his alternatives? Work in another field of interest? Maybe, if he had good education and had some sort of business interest. Play outside the PI? It might be doubtful as the PFF can forward the order to the association the foreign club belongs and ban him from signing. Change his alliance back to England? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
Is there any way for him to end his misery?
Is it worth being suspended from all things football?
Is the UFL playing the devil's advocate for the PFF's decisions?
Is this a call to create independence between the league and national association?
I think it's time.
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Post by strikerbon on Apr 5, 2012 19:36:44 GMT 8
Limpag: Is it time for Matt to rejoin Sparks?By: Mike T. Limpag - twitter: @mikelimpag Wed. Apr. 04, 2012 Source: Sun Star Cebu A FEW days ago, while promoting my "creative story" on Cedelf Tupas being named the new Global FC coach, I came about Matt Hartmann's apology published on Rick Olivares's blog. And since I was promoting an April 1 story, I thought, I'd tackle it on another day. Like Rick's, nothing has changed in my stand. I still think the punishment was too harsh and I think now that Hartmann has issued his apology, it's time to let this young man rejoin his club in the UFL. Yes, what the former U23 captain did was pretty harsh, leaving the national team in the middle of the campaign, but his being banned from the national team, indefinitely, is punishment enough. Barring him from club football, indefinitely too, is taking it too far. I guess, this is one instance when the weird footie setup in the country went against Hartmann. Some can't understand how the PFF assumed it has the right to bar Matt from the UFL, but for years, this has been the case, where the PFF is the god when it comes to Philippine football. Anything about it is under its jurisdiction. I remember in another club competition about eight years ago, one striker punched the referee in one game in a Mindanao competition and got a three-year, nationwide ban for his efforts. That guy even made the Azkals roster of the 2010 Suzuki Cup. As for the Hartmann issue, while I expected a stiff ban, I didn’t expect the ban to extend to the UFL. I think, if they want to, the UFL, Loyola and Hartmann could contest that penalty but it would be a pissing contest that, I think, wouldn’t be good for the sport. The UFL and the PFF are still figuring out their partnership as the club system is slowly taking shape but while I think facing off now is not the good thing, I think both entities’ roles have to be defined clearly because the Hartmann issue wouldn’t be the last. Say, would penalties incurred by players in PFF club competitions like the Smart tournament be carried over to the UFL? By the way, it’s been almost four months since the decision was handed down, I hope the PFF appeals committee can decide on the matter. The national team ban, I think, should stay. Matt’s ban on club competition should have been lifted months ago. www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/sports/2012/04/04/limpag-it-time-matt-rejoin-sparks-214905(edited - added web link for reference --stellarboy)
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Post by jpesarza on Apr 29, 2012 19:06:27 GMT 8
Can he play in Singapore?
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Post by stellarboy on Apr 29, 2012 19:30:36 GMT 8
Can he play in Singapore? Matt confirmed via Twitter that he'll be able to play.
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