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Post by cjeagle on Sept 11, 2012 22:42:33 GMT 8
I haven't really watched any of the games played in SEA recently so I refrained from making any comments about them. All I can say on that topic is that the team has a certain bit of Jekyll and Hyde quality about them. Their performances are not as consistent as I would like them to be.
As for the last game against Laos, I am not surprised by the result if indeed the referees were not official FIFA referees. If you guys have been following international football lately, SEA in general has gained a reputation for being one of the centers of corruption and bribery in the football world. Fixing of games has become a common phenomenon in a lot of the leagues incl. those of established ones like Malaysia and Indonesia.
And SEA federations have even been caught complicit in using illegal means to gain advantage in official FIFA tournaments as in the case of Myanmar using overage players to help their team gain entry to the AFC U-20 finals over Malaysia. They have also traced betting syndicates originating in SEA bribing officials and players in other parts of the world including those in Europe, to help get the desired results. It is something that we have to watch out for in our league as more and more of our games gain international recognition and are placed in official betting pools.
One thing we have to realize though is that just like Malaysia swallowed their pride, ignored Myanmar's duplicity in the U-20 age tournament and withdrew their complaint to FIFA, in the interest of bettering ASEAN relations, we need to overlook the result of the Laos friendly and realize that there are bigger stakes in mind, like for instance gaining the sympathy of our SEA neighbors in our quest to gain a united Asean stand on the West Philippine Sea issue.
However I wanted to answer wenden's questioning the legitimacy of our players. That topic is brought up a lot on bigsoccer by foreign based readers and I find myself having to explain myself repeatedly to a new member when posting on the Philippine thread. Unlike our other mods, I don't mind doing this again for the benefit of our local readers as well.
It is my experience that by explaining myself calmly and logically using examples in other parts of the world, I have been able to get others to acknowledge my point of view which is that all of our players are true Filipinos by virtue of their blood(jus sanguinis) which is the most common way of determining nationality legally in most countries in the world, especially in regards to those who can claim dual citizenship by virtue of their parents being from 2 different countries. And that this is a common practice from the very beginning of football in Europe.
The Europeans were the first to extensively use the dual citizenship clause to strengthen their national teams and still do so today, and the rest of the world(incl. strong football countries in Asia like Japan, Iran and many Middle Eastern nations) have learned to copy their example in order to compete, not just the Philippines.
With regards to the local setting, this practice is quite common in Philippine sports as well from the very beginning when we first joined international events, including in such sports as basketball, swimming, gymnastics, etc. We have to acknowledge the fact that the Philippines is not homogenous in its makeup and by virtue of our heritage we are a multicultural society made up of different races and that our Pinoy diaspora(numbering nearly 12 million) now has made it even more so. Their offspring are our cousins, nephews and nieces and are therefore members of our extended Filipino families which is very important in Filipino culture.
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Post by shanks608 on Sept 11, 2012 22:49:22 GMT 8
well for araneta, he is too lazy there are 2 through ball to him but he didn't run to the ball. and he let it go outside the pitch. fatigue is one reason why we lose but the coaching staff must realized it..used substitution every game to full extent. they travel 3 countries in a span of 1 week. overall i see some positives on this game at lb,christieans did a tremendous job so as at rb carli schrock was awesome so as mulders.. reichelt needs some more experience to be effective in right wing.. sabio and gier both are steady at cb but SLOW of all the meely happened all the wrong passes happen....bakit pinoy pa rin ang kukutyain....christiaens had many errors, carli defense was too high...schrock chip passes majority are strong...well mulder bulldose those lao's instaed of showing we are a intelligent football player.....sabio also shows how failure his head was.....well gier atleast he scored one.....pero bakit pinoy pa rin araneta pa eh nagkabuhay nga nung pilit nya inatake ang kalaban though medyo.....somebody reichel..or whatever his name was...if it that kind of game he show he better in the bench........kung si caligdong magdribble ballhog ang tawag pero walang may nagcomment kay christians na ganun...o kay schrock though yes his way too good but ballhog is ballhog pero anu wala.....ngayon nagmukhang tanga ang phl team nagpauto laban sa lao at kumagat sa laro ng lao.....tapos ang sweet pa ng comment ng iba (unlike those who it different) "ok lang yan" better luck next time" bawi sa sunod" ...i dont get it..... note: im not a fan of araneta...but what im rooting for is the development of the locals.....reading some of the comments make me really laugh....wala na atang papuntahan ang mga locals nyan.... I don't really understand when you said "bakit pinoy pa rin ang kukutyain" So, you're saying that those other boys were not pinoy enough? Well, poor you.. stuck with the idea that "pinoys" are only classified has having been born here, have both filipino parents, talk filipino and whatever idea that you have that could only qualify them as "PINOY". Anyway, with all your blabbering.. You know why ARANETA or Chieffy is always singled out its because they are the ones who are expected to deliver but yet come up short. If you ask me, they STOOD OUT! Stood out in Blundering.. Chieffy had lots of great runs on the side, he had lots of opportunities, but what did he do? he got stuck, dribbled to much, made poor crosses. His moments were the highlights of the match but yet he did not deliver. and everyone sees this.. I get a facepalm everytime Chieffy Blunders a good build up. Ian Araneta, this guy was deadly during the last suzuki Cup. and What's his position?? he's a freaking STRIKER! What is he intended to do?? Make a goal! When was the last time he made a goal internationally? I can't remember.. Van Persie, Giroud, Torres, Rooney, Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo... Do these guys sound familiar? Yes they do! These guys are goal scorers! These guys are commonly headlined because its either they are on a goal GLUT or a goal DROUGHT! What's my point? Strikers like IAN Araneta will always be questioned everytime they fail to deliver in every match. because thats their job, to make a GOAL. Aside from Strikers, Defenders and GK's are the next ones openly criticized. If they fail, the team concedes goals. GENER, MARGARSE, SABIO, GIER, JONSSON, Sound familiar? Which one of them made great blunders? I Know SABIO and GENER did... And we Crucified them! Specially Sabio.. remember when everyone was saying "NO TO SABIO!"... Now, let's evaluate which part of the team does your "PINOY" players play? ding-ding-ding!! YOu got it Right! STRIKERS and DEFENDERS. You are saying that most guys here are singling out Chieffy or Ian or any other "PINOY" player everytime they don't do well. you are saying that we are biased towards other players, that if we see them make a mistake it's OK. but It's NOT! It just happens that these players are in a position wherein all eyes are unto them and that a move or a play if executed well or poorly will cost a GOAL! Why not WOLF? Why Not Reichelt?? These guys played bad too but we can still see flashes of Brilliance in them. Although Wolf failed to deliver, We saw him create a good chance for himself. Too bad he can't latch on to those through balls.. While Araneta on the other hand, although we can see him trying, never really created much of a threat of himself. He was out of position, slipped and just wasted those chances given him. Try to be more objective man, we all know the team did their best. It was just not good enough. We all knew who stood out and who failed. Try not base it according to ethnicity or race or whatever you would like to call it. The players performance would speak for itself. If you don't want Ian Araneta to be Smothered with criticisms, then tell him to make a Goal better yet a Hat Trick! to silence all of his Critics. Peace Man! ;D Ciao!
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Post by strikerbon on Sept 11, 2012 22:57:33 GMT 8
Christiaens might be our Jordi Alba, he has the dribbling ability and crossing ability, but sometimes tends to hesitate to overlap. he just have to add more muscles so that he can fight body to body or shoulder to shoulder against other physically built players.
about Reichelt, i don't know if he was so disappointing last night but i know he has the skills to be a future RW. some of us are saying that he is just too generous against Cambodia, but with his performance last night i heard some complaints about his bad decision making, he just wanted to score a goal for us but i think the finishing wasn't there.
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Post by kuo24 on Sept 11, 2012 23:13:47 GMT 8
Is it official that the game will be written off the record books? If that's the case, what a big sigh of relief. Sayang din ang ever precious ranking points.
We need to stay composed as a team. Roughhousing is an age old soccer tactic. If we lose our cool, kahit alam na nating parang niluluto, wala tayong mapapala.
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Post by leoisiah on Sept 11, 2012 23:24:42 GMT 8
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Post by kluverbucy on Sept 11, 2012 23:25:25 GMT 8
Yes! Strikerbon He has the skills but if he had a mate lurking pass the ball but I know this youngsters will fight for their spot soon.
Anyway for me Araneta and Chief still has a spot for the NT.
OT: Napanuod nyo KSA vs JAP? kawawa KSA dose din kalaban nila. Parang sa NT vs Laos (=
Pero need padin magfile ng Complaint ang Team sa panununtok nung number 2 sa laos, siya din yung hinahabol ni Gier ba or Mulders? Kaya siya hinabol may sinuntok ulit eh not clear lang kung sino pinatamaan nya.
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Post by Wiking on Sept 11, 2012 23:48:00 GMT 8
...may sinuntok ulit eh not clear lang kung sino pinatamaan nya. I had to watch this on slo mo, Misagh kicked him then he punched Misagh. Soon after, that girly man ran when big 'ol Mulders and the rest of the Azkals ran after him. Prior to that scrum, a Lao player on the ground kicked Schrock and of course Stephan doesn't look like someone who'll let that pass so he turned around and tried to shove the Lao player down but not before Sabio did it first but with force. I really think the Lao players were told to be that way(or a least he told them to not be intimidated) by the coach...
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Post by kluverbucy on Sept 12, 2012 0:15:49 GMT 8
Got it.. thanks.. mabuti na lang at wala kwents sa ranking ang game.
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Post by rfm on Sept 12, 2012 1:26:29 GMT 8
Laos Football Federation should have disciplinary sanction from FIFA for allowing non Fifa referees call the shots in an intl friendly match. PFF can file motion of complaint so as not to tolerate such actions.
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Post by atlienace on Sept 12, 2012 2:14:55 GMT 8
I dont want to argue with the authenticity of our fil-foriegn players what im referring to is the local......I am a person that dont agree for the foreign base filipinos as a legit pinoy so lets not go there.... Oh here we go again. The high-and-mighty.
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Post by Usapang Football on Sept 12, 2012 6:42:52 GMT 8
Final warning, guys.
Don't tread into the foreign-based footballers debate again. It's getting old.
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Post by locotes on Sept 12, 2012 7:22:40 GMT 8
of all the meely happened all the wrong passes happen.... bakit pinoy pa rin ang kukutyain....christiaens had many errors, carli defense was too high...schrock chip passes majority are strong...well mulder bulldose those lao's instaed of showing we are a intelligent football player.....sabio also shows how failure his head was.....well gier atleast he scored one.....pero bakit pinoy pa rin araneta pa eh nagkabuhay nga nung pilit nya inatake ang kalaban though medyo.....somebody reichel..or whatever his name was...if it that kind of game he show he better in the bench........kung si caligdong magdribble ballhog ang tawag pero walang may nagcomment kay christians na ganun...o kay schrock though yes his way too good but ballhog is ballhog pero anu wala.... note: im not a fan of araneta...but what im rooting for is the development of the locals.....reading some of the comments make me really laugh....wala na atang papuntahan ang mga locals nyan....
wenden96
Dito ka nag kakamali kasi lahat ng kinukutya namin sa team ay Pilipino. But you are still dwelling on that old idea of Filipino and "not so Filipino", if that's your case, then that's your problem. For most of us here, when we them wearing the kit, we consider them Filipinos same as we do to the guy who sells me ballot every night at my corner. You have to be on that mindset in order for you to understand us. This is an old topic, please move on. We are tired of explaining things to bigots. (Admin, pardon for this OT rant)
About the Laos game. Ive said this before and I will say it again. The team is really different if PYH is not playing. We just dont know where the goal will come from.
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Post by wenden96 on Sept 12, 2012 7:50:49 GMT 8
cjeagle...again the topic of fil-foriegn players has been resolve a long time ago...i accepted before the reasoning of the other member but i had a reason on my own but that does not bigotry.....maybe just read the other and you will see it.......i will not go there again...and beside im just pointing out differently what im referring a local base players thats all..... @shanks.....thats the problem people want to see an individual brilliance, expecting too much on every game.....if a person creates a single mistake it will be wildfire on the comments everywhere unluckily it belong always to locals......even if it is 1, 2 or 3 mistakes it will be scrutinized, but the question why an individual person why not look at the team as a whole. For example as what Sir Wiking had commented, he looked the whole perspective as a team....he points out every player even etheridge....and I agree that the mistake of him cause us the second goal are there other people look that way, i guess not...see the difference.......what about caligdong even he made a goal by evading the two defenders from the last game still he was been scrutinized......thats what im talking about....i guess poor me really....im not a fan of araneta i even questioned myself and my collegue why is he still there, but in comparison to reichel (sorry i dont know the spelling) why he was not even questioned, he had a 2 to 3 bad passes, 2 to 3 times that he had a good look for a goal instead he fumbles (the best attempt he did was he evades a defender and try a shot but the ball out on top right corner of the post at a goalies standpoint), he was even disposses once or twice but no one or sort of scrutinized him. Also most people didnt see how stupid the NT looked when they join when the fight broke out...i know its the team spirit but they forget they had an incoming tournament. locotes...sorry i dont have a facebook in my office....maybe next time...can you me the idea what it is.
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Post by wenden96 on Sept 12, 2012 7:58:08 GMT 8
of all the meely happened all the wrong passes happen.... bakit pinoy pa rin ang kukutyain....christiaens had many errors, carli defense was too high...schrock chip passes majority are strong...well mulder bulldose those lao's instaed of showing we are a intelligent football player.....sabio also shows how failure his head was.....well gier atleast he scored one.....pero bakit pinoy pa rin araneta pa eh nagkabuhay nga nung pilit nya inatake ang kalaban though medyo.....somebody reichel..or whatever his name was...if it that kind of game he show he better in the bench........kung si caligdong magdribble ballhog ang tawag pero walang may nagcomment kay christians na ganun...o kay schrock though yes his way too good but ballhog is ballhog pero anu wala.... note: im not a fan of araneta...but what im rooting for is the development of the locals.....reading some of the comments make me really laugh....wala na atang papuntahan ang mga locals nyan....
wenden96
Dito ka nag kakamali kasi lahat ng kinukutya namin sa team ay Pilipino. But you are still dwelling on that old idea of Filipino and "not so Filipino", if that's your case, then that's your problem. For most of us here, when we them wearing the kit, we consider them Filipinos same as we do to the guy who sells me ballot every night at my corner. You have to be on that mindset in order for you to understand us. This is an old topic, please move on. We are tired of explaining things to bigots. (Admin, pardon for this OT rant)
About the Laos game. Ive said this before and I will say it again. The team is really different if PYH is not playing. We just dont know where the goal will come from.
im not referring to you...but if you feel that you are guilty then it is youre problem also.... though i agree to your point after many line-up experiments, NT needs the younghusband brother if we aim to finish high......no combination is yet to fill the spot of the two.....
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Post by stellarboy on Sept 12, 2012 8:36:07 GMT 8
I'll lock this thread for now. I'm utterly distraught with all of these just because the team lost badly morally and ethically. If you wanna criticize in their playing aspect, go on, but based on how "Pinoy" they are? Please make up your minds!
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