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Post by jose81 on Nov 8, 2011 16:01:43 GMT 8
If Germany is known for their lock down defense, Spain is known for their fluid passing, England is know for their physical style of play, Brazil is known for their fancy skills and superior football IQ. Where do we identify our playing style? then rate from 1 to 10 (1 lowest & 10 highest) the level that we are at. and tell us where we should improve and how we go about it.
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Post by cypher210 on Nov 8, 2011 16:25:26 GMT 8
long balls. cant you tell? theyve been relying on it for awhile. they need to apply possession football, barcelona style.
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Post by narko on Nov 8, 2011 16:46:34 GMT 8
That's the thing, we have no playing style yet. This is what the project with the Germans is all about. The playing style is developed in the grassroots and youth programs. That is a work in progress and I hope they are working on it. A lot of work needs to be done in developing good youth coaches. The programs nationwide must be uniform and working hand in hand with each other to serve a common purpose - develop players for the national teams, just like the grassroots and youth programs of Spain, Germany and Holland, to name a few, are engineered to do.
This also includes developing a uniform set-up for how tournaments and matches at youth levels are structured. A school of thought is U12 and below should not be competitive, it should concentrate on player development. Some schools of thought believe that by infusing competitive atmosphere at an early age, players and coaches tend to focus more on winning than developing player skills. Without the pressure of needing to win a match, young players can be free to express their creative side and develop confidence in their skills and technical ability.
For example, at the U9 level a coach who's clearly having a definite advantage over another team will instruct his players to pass and shoot with their weaker foot to help them develop that ability and sub out those who don't follow the instructions, instead of just allowing his players to go steamrollering the opposing team and trying to score as many goals as possible.
We have a long way ahead of us. What people need to understand with the national team, both U23 and senior side, is that the management is simply working on the resources it has on hand and available to them at any given moment. The system and style of play we want to achieve will need to be driven from the bottom up, from the emerging pool of talent that will rise up the ranks.
Once that has been established and our system and style of play identified, the inclusion of foreign based players is facilitated as our scouts can now focus on players whose style of play and abilities suit our style as opposed to the current system of making the most of what we currently have.
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Post by russel on Nov 8, 2011 16:49:59 GMT 8
We don't have any playing style yet...sad to say. We still don't have our own football identity. Coach Weiss probably wants the German style of long balls finding the strikers...fast but dangerous since we do not control the ball that well as compared to other teams. Yes, I prefer possession football. But this requires good control of the ball, which is really wanting in our NT. It drives me crazy every time they get dispossessed, or make wasteful errant passes. And we really lack the PHYSICALITY and "GULANG" of the game.
We are mixing domestic and international football styles, understandable at this stage. I just hope we will soon have our own.
I really like to see us with a German-Spanish combo with a gritty-flashy aggressive Filipino style. Wait...I just described Brazil and Argentina...lol.
My first post...hello all.
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Post by gapobanana on Nov 8, 2011 18:05:57 GMT 8
if we have to have that German style of long balls finding the strikers, maybe we should have more faster strikers and better passing skills...I find the long balls strategy a little bit impatient in the build up thus wasting so many possessions...the process of waiting for the fruits of labor of ingraining the system to our beloved azkals painful but in due time it will bear fruit.
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Post by jose81 on Nov 8, 2011 19:30:36 GMT 8
No doubt about it, our NT is employing the "Weiss way". It just takes a lot of tune up games for them to hit their stride.
I agree with the concept of starting from the grassroots level. Its just sad to know that, more often than not, politics get in the way... Anyhow, finding our "football identity" is just like going through adolescences. Let just hope our current management, coaching staff, and players are in it for the long haul.
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Post by Tiggy on Nov 8, 2011 19:54:18 GMT 8
I can imagine our Azkals in this play style.
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Post by jose81 on Nov 8, 2011 20:50:02 GMT 8
I am tempted to say "I would rather see our NT play possession football than goals"
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Post by Tiggy on Nov 8, 2011 21:30:33 GMT 8
I am tempted to say "I would rather see our NT play possession football than goals" We won't see Goals If we don't have good possessions. From my point of view here's how our long pass tactics work and its very simple. Once we get the ball, we pass it back to the backfield players (although if our Midfielders see a gap on the defense, They'll just carry on with the counter-attack. But if the defense is compact they pass it back and lob pass it to the lone striker (Hoping he's not fully marked by the Opponent)
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Post by xyz1000 on Nov 8, 2011 22:33:32 GMT 8
If Germany is known for their lock down defense, Spain is known for their fluid passing, England is know for their physical style of play, Brazil is known for their fancy skills and superior football IQ. Where do we identify our playing style? then rate from 1 to 10 (1 lowest & 10 highest) the level that we are at. and tell us where we should improve and how we go about it. Germany isn't exactly known for their lock down defense. That honor goes to Italy. Pre-Klinsmann, Germany was known more for robotic, predictable, but superb execution of plays, whether from dead-ball or not. From Klinsmann to the present, Germany is known more for attacking plays, a fast game, and highly fit players. As for the Azkals, I agree that it's still too early in our advent from the Dark Ages to see a style. Coach W obviously wants to imprint an attacking style. Coach M brought us out of the Dark Ages with a defensive style. In the end, or should I say in the long run (10+ years) I suspect our style will be more attuned towards flair and skills, just like the Brazilians, because I see that it fits more of the Filipino psyche and culture.
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Post by buddha on Nov 8, 2011 22:47:26 GMT 8
First off, gentlemen, let me gently bring to your attention the recent shifts in footballing cultures. It's no longer safe to stereotype footballing nations by saying "the Dutch play Total Football, the British play long balls, the Brazilians are oozing with flair and technique, while the Germans are efficient and disciplined but ultimately boring." No sir, the Germans do not play long balls. Football culture, like ALL human culture, is never static and is on a cycle of continuous evolution. That's simply the nature of culture! You can't say, "Oh, the Germans play this way and the Dutch play this way and the Spaniards play this way" anymore. The most compelling evidence of this evolution of football culture was the 2010 WC where we saw the Spaniards playing like the Dutch and the Dutch playing like the Germans! Even the Brazilians are starting to look suspiciously English. And the English? Well, they played like e. --- When Jurgen Klinsmann took over Die deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft for the 2006 WC he (and then assistant Joachim Low) created a whole new German footballing philosophy and identity that was supported and reinforced by the German Football Association (DFB). Let me just summarize what it's about: 1. It is based on keeping the ball on the ground. 2. The emphasis is on speed of execution and attack. 3. IT IS NOT POSSESSION FOOTBALL (in other words it's definitely not Tiki-taka) 4. Players need to be very technically proficient and very fit for the system to work. 5. The emphasis on speed requires a very high level of teamwork, hence the idea of TEAMGEIST. (Ironically such fast paced, dynamic football requires even more teamwork than in Tiki-taka simply because you don't have the luxury of time and you got to anticipate and predict ball and player movement before it even happens as the desire is to transition from defense to attack so fast that opponents aren't able to close down gaps in the lines. Tiki-taka, however, actually slows down time as the focus is on possession and requires players to be very patient as they wait for gaps to open up.) --- So will the Azkals ever play like Barcelona? - No. We're going to play like little Germans. So is that a good thing? - In many ways yes, and in many ways, no. The following articles might help you guys understand German football more: 1. www.youthsoccerskills.com/stylesandculture/german-soccer-style.html2. www.zonalmarking.net/2010/07/07/germany-v-spain-tactical-preview/3. www.zonalmarking.net/2011/02/10/five-conclusions-about%E2%80%A6germany/Prost!
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Post by jpmanahan on Nov 8, 2011 23:14:31 GMT 8
As much as we can discuss styles, we should also know what players do we have. it's futile to fit square pegs to round holes, you know.
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Post by fadzki on Nov 8, 2011 23:23:07 GMT 8
^^^ We have alot of players coming from different styles of football we have players from UK, Germany, Denmark, USA, Spain, Holland, Belgium and of course the homegrowns...
BTW.. Nice thread Jose81..
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Post by buddha on Nov 8, 2011 23:33:29 GMT 8
True, jp.
But there are two approaches to coaching. 1. Play to the strengths of your players (thus the square pegs end up in the square holes and the round pegs are warm and cozy in their round holes), OR 2. Choose a style and teach your players how to play it (the great philosopher Paul Weiler once said, "you must first empty your cup if you want to taste my tea")
When putting a team out in a tournament, say the SUZUKI CUP, and you have at your disposal the best players from wherever, you'd be weiss to play to your players strengths.
But when talking about creating a football culture, a national footballing identity, I believe you've got to have a template in place.
Of course the best solution would be to combine both approaches which is to create a footballing template that is suited to our particular physical make up, our psychological peculiarities, and our physical environment (the weather, the quality of local pitches, etc.).
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Post by royg on Nov 8, 2011 23:44:28 GMT 8
Nice insights guys! Would be lovely to see our football identity to be like the current germans style, lovely to watch and very technical. Will surely challenge spains style. Btw, welcome to the forum jose and russel.
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