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Post by buddha on Dec 20, 2011 7:11:13 GMT 8
Good reads, jandrew87. As has been predicted before, teams of the future are going to be strikerless and we've seen that evolving quite rapidly in the last few years. It has it's roots in Totaal Voetbal (Ajax Amsterdam, circa 1969), then lately with AS Roma, Man Utd (circa 2007-08), and now with Barcelona.
---------PLAYING STYLES: ARGENTINA
Argentine football owes a lot to one man, Jose Pekerman. This is the guy that produced Messi, Tevez, Pastore, Mascherano, and most of the mainstays in the Argentine national team.
He wanted to create a new philosophy for Argentine football in the post-Maradona era and he achieved this by building up the youth teams. He won the FIFA World Youth Championships three times and the South American Youth Championships twice.
The style we see Argentina play -- slow build-up, intricate short passes, and creative dribbling -- are Pekerman trademarks. He wanted to take advantage of the typical Argentinian physical build which is short and stocky.
I feel we can take our cues from this. As the average Juan is short and stocky shouldn't our playing style, our philosophical approach, be based on SLOW build-ups and creative dribbling?
------------FOOTBALL FESTIVALS ARE COUNTER-CREATIVITY
One of my gripes with the way youth football is played in my province (perhaps it is different in other provinces, which I doubt!) is that it is played at such a hurried and harried pace! This is encouraged by all these one-day football festivals where teams play for only 10-15 minutes. Being time pressured does not encourage slow, leisurely build-ups but instead encourages frantic, mindless attacks.
Is this the way forward with youth football?
I prefer slow, patient, thoughtful football. But that's just me.
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Post by jandrew87 on Dec 20, 2011 8:54:46 GMT 8
Good reads, jandrew87. As has been predicted before, teams of the future are going to be strikerless and we've seen that evolving quite rapidly in the last few years. It has it's roots in Totaal Voetbal (Ajax Amsterdam, circa 1969), then lately with AS Roma, Man Utd (circa 2007-08), and now with Barcelona. ---------PLAYING STYLES: ARGENTINA Argentine football owes a lot to one man, Jose Pekerman. This is the guy that produced Messi, Tevez, Pastore, Mascherano, and most of the mainstays in the Argentine national team. He wanted to create a new philosophy for Argentine football in the post-Maradona era and he achieved this by building up the youth teams. He won the FIFA World Youth Championships three times and the South American Youth Championships twice. The style we see Argentina play -- slow build-up, intricate short passes, and creative dribbling -- are Pekerman trademarks. He wanted to take advantage of the typical Argentinian physical build which is short and stocky. I feel we can take our cues from this. As the average Juan is short and stocky shouldn't our playing style, our philosophical approach, be based on SLOW build-ups and creative dribbling? ------------FOOTBALL FESTIVALS ARE COUNTER-CREATIVITY One of my gripes with the way youth football is played in my province (perhaps it is different in other provinces, which I doubt!) is that it is played at such a hurried and harried pace! This is encouraged by all these one-day football festivals where teams play for only 10-15 minutes. Being time pressured does not encourage slow, leisurely build-ups but instead encourages frantic, mindless attacks. Is this the way forward with youth football? I prefer slow, patient, thoughtful football. But that's just me. i agree with you on the slow build up of play. i just wish people would start implementing it in the Philippines. i live here in the US and thats the same reason why the US doesn't succeed in international tournaments. their grassroots programs consists of playing lots of games for the sake of winning instead of skill development. hopefully some good will start happening in the grassroots for the philippines. Germany, Japan, and even Spain are lending a hand in helping us progress in football.
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Post by Wiking on Dec 20, 2011 9:13:27 GMT 8
I can always count on well thought out/relevant comment on this thread. buddha, were you able to catch the UFL championship game? If you didn't, you missed out on a beautiful game by the AF team. At one point AF completed 11 passes in a row! The announcers were counting it. I think for the typical Filipino this would be the perfect tactic/game philosophy as you've said. Its eye opening what patience, possession and control can do against a frenetic, "attack at all cost" game plan. It's unfortunate our highest profile teams(National Team) coach insist on a game philosophy unfit for us. As a consequence, other teams are mimicking their style to their own detriment. Hopefully he'll adjust. Maybe.
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Post by buddha on Dec 21, 2011 11:09:13 GMT 8
@wiking: Unfortunately I missed out on the UFL championships. I've seen highlights which of course only feature the goals, misses, and other events of interest... But build-ups and other tactical nuances tend to be observed by watching the game in it's entirety and by looking for patterns. Is the full game available for download?
Anyways, I'm glad AF won playing the style they did. They deserved it!
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Post by Wiking on Dec 21, 2011 19:37:28 GMT 8
@wiking: Unfortunately I missed out on the UFL championships. I've seen highlights which of course only feature the goals, misses, and other events of interest... But build-ups and other tactical nuances tend to be observed by watching the game in it's entirety and by looking for patterns. Is the full game available for download? Anyways, I'm glad AF won playing the style they did. They deserved it! Sorry don't know if one can download the game.
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Post by jonny on Dec 21, 2011 20:36:21 GMT 8
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Post by Wiking on Dec 21, 2011 20:50:51 GMT 8
OMG! jonny you are THE MAN! Thanks for this! Btw would you happen to have the Singa and/or Nepal friendly?
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Post by buddha on Dec 22, 2011 8:02:09 GMT 8
Wow! Well done, Jonny. Shall we vote Jonny as the official Azkals Archivist?
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Post by jandrew87 on Dec 22, 2011 9:43:09 GMT 8
OMG! jonny you are THE MAN! Thanks for this! Btw would you happen to have the Singa and/or Nepal friendly? yeah do you have singapore and nepal friendly! please? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jandrew87 on Dec 22, 2011 9:44:55 GMT 8
I can always count on well thought out/relevant comment on this thread. buddha, were you able to catch the UFL championship game? If you didn't, you missed out on a beautiful game by the AF team. At one point AF completed 11 passes in a row! The announcers were counting it. I think for the typical Filipino this would be the perfect tactic/game philosophy as you've said. Its eye opening what patience, possession and control can do against a frenetic, "attack at all cost" game plan. It's unfortunate our highest profile teams(National Team) coach insist on a game philosophy unfit for us. As a consequence, other teams are mimicking their style to their own detriment. Hopefully he'll adjust. Maybe. i watched the first half of the game. i didn't see alot of short passing games from AF. In fact, the announcers were the ones saying that AF was doing alot of long balls, did it change in the second half?
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Post by Wiking on Dec 22, 2011 11:20:11 GMT 8
I can always count on well thought out/relevant comment on this thread. buddha, were you able to catch the UFL championship game? If you didn't, you missed out on a beautiful game by the AF team. At one point AF completed 11 passes in a row! The announcers were counting it. I think for the typical Filipino this would be the perfect tactic/game philosophy as you've said. Its eye opening what patience, possession and control can do against a frenetic, "attack at all cost" game plan. It's unfortunate our highest profile teams(National Team) coach insist on a game philosophy unfit for us. As a consequence, other teams are mimicking their style to their own detriment. Hopefully he'll adjust. Maybe. i watched the first half of the game. i didn't see alot of short passing games from AF. In fact, the announcers were the ones saying that AF was doing alot of long balls, did it change in the second half? I suppose it depends on yours and I's definition of 'short' passes. The announcer mentioned AF passing long at the 6th minute and at 86th minute reason being AF was trying to preserve the 1-0 score. But you should watch all of the 1st and 2nd half. Like I mentioned previously, the announcer were counting passes and at one time they went up to 10 passes(I continued counting and saw 11) in one series. What I failed to mention was that AF did also use long balls successfully(and more accurate) and with good combination with the short passes. Since I watched the game again last night I also noticed their disciplined ball control as opposed to the sometime chaotic ball handling by Meralco. Don't get me wrong I like Meralco because of the NT members in that team but you can't help admire a team thats supposedly too old/getting old, shorter, less raw skills, fat goal keeper and local coach oh, and "fat" goal keeper. Did I say fat goal keeper already ;D.
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Post by jandrew87 on Dec 31, 2011 1:36:58 GMT 8
A must read! How FC Barcelona became the FC Barcelona of today. www.goal.com/en/news/3846/barcelona-making-of-the-greatest/2011/12/30/2811446/without-him-there-would-be-no-lionel-messi-xavi-andres"Make no mistake, the world is still watching the fruition of seeds planted in 1988. When Cruyff returned as coach he disagreed, fundamentally, with the way in which the Barcelona youth system was run. He insisted that it was nonsensical that all the age-category teams were being trained in a playing system which was particular to their specific coach. There was no FC Barcelona credo. What was then 13 youth levels under the first team could mean 13 different playing styles and kids having to re-learn every year. Cruyff told his employers that a) every youth level must be trained based on the same concepts and in the same 3-4-3 formation, b) the top kids needed to be pushed out of their comfort zone and played at an age group one, or even two years ahead, and c) that those 'perlas de la cantera', the jewels of the youth system, needed accelerated promotion into the first team."
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Post by jandrew87 on Jan 19, 2012 7:04:03 GMT 8
Barcelona yet again beats Real Madrid, I wish we can emulate their style. The commentators were talking about how some clubs are looking for decent size players but at Barcelona they all produce players between 5'5 to 5'9. Check out the passing triangles that they have here.
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Post by jandrew87 on Jan 19, 2012 7:14:01 GMT 8
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Post by jandrew87 on Jan 22, 2012 8:16:01 GMT 8
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