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Post by raptours on Mar 27, 2017 14:55:11 GMT 8
Damn! The PFF, players and coaching staff should talk this out. We are losing players.
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Post by kroner on Mar 27, 2017 18:17:11 GMT 8
I have the same feeling. We all know that Mulders and Lucena retired because of age concerns. Shrock had issues with Dooley before (2014 AFC Challenge Cup Final) that is why he decided to retire temporarily. Same with Cagara, he was allegedly dump in favor Sato. I think Cagara or Sato can play other positions aside from LB. Stephan Palla - problem with Coach Dooley (just suspecting), I mean Stephan Palla is a regular for his Austrian Bundesliga Club, why he didn't received a call-up? despite the international window. Muller - Family reasons but I'm suspecting it is beyond family reasons. Although he is a starter at Ceres-Negros (same with Deyto at Global Cebu), the team is only playing competitively for 3 games (AFC Cup). The PFF and Mr. Dan Palami need to sort this out otherwise the chances of potential overseas young talent joining the Azkals will decrease. This young players need to have a team-mate(s) who shared the same language (Germans, spanish etc.). Next seem to be Martin Steuble who has left the squad against Nepal , and Antonio Ugarte has been added to the squad. Can still recall right after the the 2014 AFC Challenge Cup where we lost in the finals against Palestine thus failing to reach the targeted 2015 Asian Cup. There were "a few" international retirements like Jason de Jong and Chris Greatwich. Stephan Schrock also announced his controversial retirement that led to a social media war against Dooley then Dennis Cagara and Neil Etheridge joined the fray. A prime de Jong and a comebacking Greatwich did a quiet exit as in the background there is already buzz about the upcoming recruits namely Iain Ramsay, Luke Woodland, Kevin Ingreso and Stephan Palla. The 2 can sense that they will be eased out of the team being the "weakest link" among the roster so what they did is not a surprise move but to keep their pride intact imho. Now there is buzz again of incoming fresh talent like Raphael Obermair and Jesper Nyohlm so I'm not surprised if one by one players do a "premature retirement".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 22:58:32 GMT 8
Here's my 5 cents take on this issue. Any confident, self-respecting player will always want to be in the starting 11. There are only a few countries where being a substitute, or even in reserve team is more than OK, i.e. Germany, Belgium, France, Italy,... the top 20. For the sake of their soccer career and future, they got to be playing in plain sight, exposed and seen, showing what they are capable of doing in the pitch. Sitting in the bench will not do it, and is very counter-productive if the team they represent does not dominate the other countries in the group. The Azkals lately is not dominating, so if they are sitting on the bench for this team, it is a very BAD self advertisement. Well, unless you are an 18 yr old rookie.
It is worst for those players who have already played for the senior "A" team. if they are sitting in the bench, it means that they are already replaced and probably washed up.
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Post by cebujames on Mar 28, 2017 9:25:09 GMT 8
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Post by kroner on Mar 28, 2017 10:29:07 GMT 8
This gives some validity about the speculations and rumors surrounding the internal riff between players and coach. And with Palami giving a "like" on jonny's post re Palla being not selected maybe he's also not happy how the players are being handled by the coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:02:08 GMT 8
This is what I believe on what's going on. Dooley just inked the contract to see the Azkals through the qualification round. Of course, he wants to end this in a good note for self pride, and will do whatever he needs to WIN. He does NOT need to be politically correct relative to the players, Palami and the PFF, just qualify and then "adios amigos", this is all yours in the Asian Cup, see what you (Palami and the PFF) can do from now on, I'm out of here. Remember the contract does not include 2019.
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Post by jp on Mar 28, 2017 11:04:07 GMT 8
This gives some validity about the speculations and rumors surrounding the internal riff between players and coach. And with Palami giving a "like" on jonny's post re Palla being not selected maybe he's also not happy how the players are being handled by the coach. Lets not speculate like this is some kind of showbiz stuff. It's not good for our team. They are professionals, they will handle the matter professionally. The name of the game is who deserve it better, regardless if you played before or not. Our foreign based player is not immune to the never ending competition to play for the NT. You fit the coach system, you get the call-up, you get to impress the coach, you get the call-up. Steuble should had known better as he got called-up before to play for MLS team & after few games, no long term contract. That's how it is.
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Post by jp on Mar 28, 2017 11:19:04 GMT 8
There is no place to act diva, coach has all the right to discipline the player, star player or not. I don't think coach Dooley has the problem. If you played before for our NT, there is no guarantee that you will play again. There's always new kids on the block that will be at par or better than you, so you need to prove your worth to the team & the coach. Dooley or the management wants to instill to the players the values of"who wants it more attitude" that is needed to represent the NT.
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Post by jp on Mar 28, 2017 11:42:24 GMT 8
I remember Etheridge had the same situation before. He thinks he's one of the pioneer of the azkals therefore a sure spot for the starting 11. He got pissed, handle the situation like a spoiled teen, go to social media, bent his misunderstanding with Dooley, then later on realized he is professional, maturely proved his worth, changed his way like a PRO & now his back to our NT starting 11. That's how you should handle it, no walk out drama.
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Post by kroner on Mar 28, 2017 11:47:44 GMT 8
This gives some validity about the speculations and rumors surrounding the internal riff between players and coach. And with Palami giving a "like" on jonny's post re Palla being not selected maybe he's also not happy how the players are being handled by the coach. Lets not speculate like this is some kind of showbiz stuff. It's not good for our team. They are professionals, they will handle the matter professionally. The name of the game is who deserve it better, regardless if you played before or not. Our foreign based player is not immune to the never ending competition to play for the NT. You fit the coach system, you get the call-up, you get to impress the coach, you get the call-up. Steuble should had known better as he got called-up before to play for MLS team & after few games, no long term contract. That's how it is. That's why it is called speculate. Then the players should not act like showbiz personalities too and not onion-skinned if things don't go their way. Tell that to an insider like Cedelf Tupas to stop reporting showbiz stuff like these.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:51:30 GMT 8
There is a flaw in your argument (jp on Etheridge). A GK is a solo player among the 11. All he needs to do is do the saves. The other 10 players needs to play together as a single unit, and any player cannot be isolated on a "a man for himself" to prove something to the coach. Be selfish and you do not get any touch of the ball again. It is not easy to just prove yourself and everything is OK. The coach could always put you in a position you cannot succeed and thus look BAD. In other words, you are totally under the control of the coach, whether you like or not, and if you are NOT sure the coach is covering your back, it is time to retire.
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Post by jp on Mar 28, 2017 12:09:25 GMT 8
the problem is when you speculate, you're creating imaginary rift between players & coach, not healthy for our team. Believe me, if there's some truth to that, Dooley will be long gone. Proving your worth includes attitude towards your team, coach & the management. What' s the use of your X.O. talent if you are pain in the A, you want the coach to fit with your system instead of fit with the system. or else there's no point of getting a coach. It would reflect on the team performance especially with a team sport like football.
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Post by jp on Mar 28, 2017 12:21:24 GMT 8
Lets not speculate like this is some kind of showbiz stuff. It's not good for our team. They are professionals, they will handle the matter professionally. The name of the game is who deserve it better, regardless if you played before or not. Our foreign based player is not immune to the never ending competition to play for the NT. You fit the coach system, you get the call-up, you get to impress the coach, you get the call-up. Steuble should had known better as he got called-up before to play for MLS team & after few games, no long term contract. That's how it is. That's why it is called speculate. Then the players should not act like showbiz personalities too and not onion-skinned if things don't go their way. Tell that to an insider like Cedelf Tupas to stop reporting showbiz stuff like these. Speaking of onion skin. I just give my opinion & now you're telling me to tell that to Cedelf Tupas. Man we are all fans of our NT. You know writer being a writer. Sometimes they exaggerate things/gives drama to normally boring or no big deal things to hype up story.
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Post by jp on Mar 28, 2017 12:29:36 GMT 8
There is a flaw in your argument (jp on Etheridge). A GK is a solo player among the 11. All he needs to do is do the saves. The other 10 players needs to play together as a single unit, and any player cannot be isolated on a "a man for himself" to prove something to the coach. Be selfish and you do not get any touch of the ball again. It is not easy to just prove yourself and everything is OK. The coach could always put you in a position you cannot succeed and thus look BAD. In other words, you are totally under the control of the coach, whether you like or not, and if you are NOT sure the coach is covering your back, it is time to retire. In football, there's is always a system. You are very wrong about the GK my friend. GK is part of the system. Have you heard GK shouting his lungs out organizing his defender? That is part of the big puzzle in the system, imagine the set pieces if the GK is independent of the 10. As far as i know majority of the scores is from deadly set pieces, but you know correct me if I'm wrong if the GK just saves independent of the 10 players.
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Post by kroner on Mar 28, 2017 12:34:13 GMT 8
the problem is when you speculate, you're creating imaginary rift between players & coach, not healthy for our team. Believe me, if there's some truth to that, Dooley will be long gone. Proving your worth includes attitude towards your team, coach & the management. What' s the use of your X.O. talent if you are pain in the A, you want the coach to fit with your system instead of fit with the system. or else there's no point of getting a coach. It would reflect on the team performance especially with a team sport like football. Understand you bro that's why we have this thread in the first place so we can share insights, opinions and even speculations on some occassion as long it is not offending and abusive. Lastly this is a discussion board where only pure pinoy football fans care to visit and not a social media post that is on public display that anyone can feast on.
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