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Post by narko on Jun 9, 2011 0:11:46 GMT 8
Doesn't Lucena and Hartmann play 2 different positions. Lucena plays fullback and defensive midfield for his club while Hartmann played attacking mid in that UFL Allstars-Azkal game. With the availability of Paul Mulder at attacking mid, they needed experience in defense esp. at defensive mid, so why not a player who had played at the highest level in Denmark. Coach Weiss has seen Hartmann play 1 game exactly. Is that enough reason to suddenly include him in the team? I think he also joined the tryouts last February or March and was cut then. If he is still eligible for the U-23 team, he should join that first and prove himself. I second you on that cjeagle. Mulders credentials and experience is hard to ignore, then Guirado can also play that role if needed. That would make Hartmann a third choice. Also, the Azkals was playing a diamond 4-4-2 with James YH as the holding midfielder. Hartmann is definitely a good player but I think the coaching staff also needs to see how well he does playing against a team with a dedicated defensive midfielder and/or a double pivot in the midfield as in a 4-2-3-1 formation and its variants. Maybe in the future Hartmann will get a shot in the team, but for the WCQ with Sri Lanka it's too early.
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Post by cowscrubber on Jun 9, 2011 0:21:45 GMT 8
Dennis is looking for a job. He wasn't offered a contract for next year by Randers FC as they were relegated. I think the main reason he has hasn't played for the Azkal before is his employment situation and the subsequent lack of insurance coverage. He has a history of major injuries in the past which have scared off a lot of teams. His main priority is to find a club to play for, which means he will be covered even if he sustains an injury with the Azkals. Won't the Azkals insure him? If they don't, they should insure the players... or at least provide injury care
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Post by cowscrubber on Jun 9, 2011 0:24:03 GMT 8
let me clarify myself at what i meant when i said the poster here must have been huli sa balita to not have known na tapos na maprocess yung passport niya the other day at kasali siya sa training kahaopn. ... OMFG! I'm so blind. I must have misread your post. Nabasa ko lang ang salitang "huli" and I took it to mean something else...
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Post by narko on Jun 9, 2011 0:39:21 GMT 8
Just curious...have you seen them (players you mentioned) play live? And if you did, how many times? I have not so I could not make any comments. Though I have read that those players you mentioned are pretty good..especially Lucena on midfield, since he's been in the big leagues. devildog, I saw the Azkals-UFL All-Stars game live and seen Lucena on TV for the Challenge Cup qualifiers in Myanmar. Both are good and here's my two cents worth if you're interested. (Disclosure: just an avid follower and supporter of the game, I don't claim to be an expert but not shy to share my opinions, hehe) Lucena is a natural defensive/holding mid. His main role is to shield the back four, win the ball, maintain the team's defensive shape and keep the lines compact. They said he was jetlagged for his first game, whether true or not, Lucena's playing style in that position is one that should be characterized by steadiness and discipline, not flair and creativity. Don't expect long balls, late runs to the box or through passes to the forwards from him. What he will mostly do is win the ball and distribute quickly to the nearest offensive mid or an overlapping back to get an offense started so he can maintain proper positioning to stop a counter should the offense lose the ball in the ensuing attack. So expect Lucena to be more concerned of his position in the field with that task in mind even if the Azkals have the ball and are on the offense. I felt he did a good job of this in Myanmar. With more time with the team, I'm confident he'll do better. As for Hartmann, he played as an attacking mid. He was the fulcrum of his team's attack, playing that role so beloved of the Argentines, the "enganche" or playmaker. He played really well and did a good job. However, if you were watching the game you would have to factor in that the Azkals weren't playing with a natural defensive midfielder, they had James YH in that role. This allowed Hartmann to receive and carry the ball with less pressure, he had more time. I will say Hartmann is a pretty good player, but I will reserve judgment of his full abilities in comparison with the more established Azkals playing in his position until I see him deal with a team playing with a natural defensive mid or employing a holding double pivot in midfield
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Post by cjeagle on Jun 9, 2011 3:04:31 GMT 8
Dennis is looking for a job. He wasn't offered a contract for next year by Randers FC as they were relegated. I think the main reason he has hasn't played for the Azkal before is his employment situation and the subsequent lack of insurance coverage. He has a history of major injuries in the past which have scared off a lot of teams. His main priority is to find a club to play for, which means he will be covered even if he sustains an injury with the Azkals. Won't the Azkals insure him? If they don't, they should insure the players... or at least provide injury care I am sure that the Azkals will cover any medical expenses needed but if he gets injured, he will have an even more difficult time getting a job. He was practically unemployed for more than 6 months after getting the knee injury. It would be more practical for him to get a contract first which includes medical insurance coverage plus a guaranteed salary, then play for the Azkals. He is unfortunately injury prone, so it is hard to rely on him to be available all the time anyways.
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Post by locotes on Jun 9, 2011 13:00:55 GMT 8
Mulders in and Simon G. out. Im starting to doubt the coach now. He shouldve included Hartman on the list. That roster doesnt have a good midfield that could hold the middle. I dont trust Lucena's game on the middle, I find Hartman better than him. hahahahaha.....dont you know that j lucena and angel was the best thing that happened to the azkals since the YH's and Neil!! [color=Green ]I may agree with you on ANGEL but for Lucena ,No. I found Lucena slow in the middle. Im not impressed with his game. Maybe I was expecting to much from him coz weve been waiting for this guy to play for team. Weve been talking about this guy in the forum 3-5 years ago, I think there was to much hype on him during those years. Come time when he played, I was disappointed on what I saw. I hope he can prove me wrong. Thats one mistake I will take. [/color]
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Post by locotes on Jun 9, 2011 16:37:37 GMT 8
Just curious...have you seen them (players you mentioned) play live? And if you did, how many times? I have not so I could not make any comments. Though I have read that those players you mentioned are pretty good..especially Lucena on midfield, since he's been in the big leagues. Same here, I read a lot about him years back, but when I saw him play, Ive seen better players.
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Post by sheajane80 on Jun 10, 2011 0:06:03 GMT 8
Just curious...have you seen them (players you mentioned) play live? And if you did, how many times? I have not so I could not make any comments. Though I have read that those players you mentioned are pretty good..especially Lucena on midfield, since he's been in the big leagues. Same here, I read a lot about him years back, but when I saw him play, Ive seen better players. like who po?
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Post by wisekingjohn on Jun 16, 2011 20:41:56 GMT 8
Dennis is looking for a job. He wasn't offered a contract for next year by Randers FC as they were relegated. I think the main reason he hasn't played for the Azkal before is his employment situation and the subsequent lack of insurance coverage. He has a history of major injuries in the past which have scared off a lot of teams. His main priority is to find a club to play for, which means he will be covered even if he sustains an injury with the Azkals. Some players in the top leagues do have relegation clauses in their contract. Which means that the club will release the player if the club is relegated that will allow the player to seek opportunites in other 1st division clubs in any other leagues. This MIGHT be the case with Cagara.
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Post by butchok on Jun 17, 2011 10:14:44 GMT 8
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Post by usbdata on Jun 17, 2011 21:35:35 GMT 8
from twitterworld: cedelfpt Fil-Dutch midfielder Paul Mulders set to return to #Azkals camp in Duren
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Post by curtlanceunited on Jun 18, 2011 12:44:38 GMT 8
from twitterworld: cedelfpt Fil-Dutch midfielder Paul Mulders set to return to #Azkals camp in Duren According to Paul Mulders' Facebook status, he'll be back in training camp this Monday.
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Post by jvictor on Jun 18, 2011 13:41:02 GMT 8
Do we have to call those Azkals who are pure pinoy (both their mother and father are pinoys), fil foreigners?
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Post by beho on Jun 18, 2011 17:40:43 GMT 8
Do we have to call those Azkals who are pure pinoy (both their mother and father are pinoys), fil foreigners? ;Dlike whom bro? anyways , why can't we stop calling some of them fil-fors,foreigners, etc. why not plain azkals! period.... ;D
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Post by narko on Jun 18, 2011 18:36:53 GMT 8
Do we have to call those Azkals who are pure pinoy (both their mother and father are pinoys), fil foreigners? ;Dlike whom bro? anyways , why can't we stop calling some of them fil-fors,foreigners, etc. why not plain azkals! period.... ;D Agree! Or foreign-based Azkals if a distinction needs to be made with the home-based Azkals.
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