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Post by Wiking on Nov 4, 2011 10:04:14 GMT 8
jpesarza, cypher210 has been here almost as long as you have and has always been a supporter of the team. To label him a crab just because he is stating his opinion...
And the name calling? You've never done that before. Lets not allow this wonderful site to degenerate like some others. I enjoy being here but if people will start throwing curses left and right...
Peace to you
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Post by rhamz84 on Nov 4, 2011 10:21:43 GMT 8
I don't like crabs as much as you guys too, but last night's match was really just bad. It was good that they ended the first half a goal up, but to give that away and lose 3-1? I wouldn't have minded much if the goals were given up to really unbeatable play, but the defense that gave away that lead was just so bad, and all from the same side! Even if the game was 2-1 and they still had a chance to salvage a draw they didn't look convincing, counterattacks were unorganized and passes were blind. I feel bad for Weiss. He should have been left to deal with the senior squad only, its not fair to judge this campaign based on the first game alone but it won't help to cool the flames down. The pressure of managing the senior squad's campaign and now the U23 side too is big. I'm still a Macca fan, he just had more charisma going for him when he was manager compared to Weiss. Simon for U23?
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Post by locotes on Nov 4, 2011 10:28:38 GMT 8
The team lacks Stamina and Fitness. We cant play 90. We were up 1 goal on 45, we shouldve defended better. Without Stamina and Fitness everything crumbles, you cant pass right, teamwork is gone, no 1st touch, no composure etc.
But Stamina and Fitness is not suppose to be Weiss's problem, this task should have been addressed at club level pa. Player should be fit when they play for the national team, thats the reason why they are called right. As UFL grows we can see this develop.
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Post by athrunzala on Nov 4, 2011 10:36:29 GMT 8
We just lost to a better talented team, that's all. This is not our best U-23 lineup. They should have included Bundesliga 1 Kevin Ingreso and Greuther Furth's U-23 striker Kevin Guerra
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Post by jpesarza on Nov 4, 2011 10:38:11 GMT 8
jpesarza, cypher210 has been here almost as long as you have and has always been a supporter of the team. To label him a crab just because he is stating his opinion... And the name calling? You've never done that before. Lets not allow this wonderful site to degenerate like some others. I enjoy being here but if people will start throwing curses left and right... Peace to you Peace to you as well, I can call him whatever I want to call him since I have bases of my opinion as I am entitled as well to express it. Sorry if ive gone overboard on this one but that’s just me, careless I may be but I have rights like the rights you have to rebut my opinions to him. Comeon dude, Almost if not all of the members here are judging the actions made by the staff and coaches as they are not picking the right players and not taking the right tactics to each and every game. Who needs judgements like that? NO one! Yeah? But since this is a forum you can say whatever you want you want to express. It’s a foul yes, but for me and im speaking in behalf of myself, I found his post an irritant. Sorry it’s just me. NO BIG DEAL. *bu I guess I said SORRY. If that’s well and enough.
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Post by faridoon on Nov 4, 2011 10:59:26 GMT 8
Even if we send our best U-23 lineup but with short preparation or short time for team training, the result will be the same. This U-23 team can compete with other powerhouse U-23 SEA countries if only they have a 2 months of training with a complete lineup..
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Post by liverBLOODYREDpool on Nov 4, 2011 11:02:40 GMT 8
leonora's was definitely not ready for multiple waves like that. thats why he gassed out. not sure if it would have worked out but they could have switched carly on the left back since the furious attacks were coming from the right flank with van bossche on the right back. and i thought they should have brought back porteria as he was doing a very good job at defending.
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Post by vimjonk on Nov 4, 2011 11:05:47 GMT 8
I still go with Macca for the WIN all the name callings can go with that one (e.g. nuthugger, fanboy, etc.) No matter what everyone had said about in the past, results speak for itself. If the players are not fit or has other conditions, it is the job of the manager/coach (should be manager) to adjust his strategy and tactics to the players at hand. Lack of conditioning? Then don't play an aggressive pressing game. Lack of teamwork? Then don't use a fluid short passing game. Lack of skills? Then don't institute a system that requires such. All should be addressed by the coach, long before the first match. Nuff said...
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Post by jpesarza on Nov 4, 2011 11:10:06 GMT 8
leonora's was definitely not ready for multiple waves like that. thats why he gassed out. not sure if it would have worked out but they could have switched carly on the left back since the furious attacks were coming from the right flank with van bossche on the right back. and i thought they should have brought back porteria as he was doing a very good job at defending. I am not sure about this but i guess Leonora was sent as CB standing along Carli after Drinkuth subbed out Porteria? And if im not mistaken we only have 5 DFs in the squad (4 on pitch and 1 sub). Hope they can cover the mess in the back line in the next games.
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Post by liverBLOODYREDpool on Nov 4, 2011 11:16:40 GMT 8
to "rvac " : muller did not need to run and was very good, carly had the more "easy" right side as most attacks were on the other side and manny needed to be replaced . christiaens can play better, he also had a 3 day travel behind him (he was with me) and hardly slept . that is 1/3 of the team . but you're right about the need to try to fix things during the game, that's what the coach did : drinkuth was brought in to reinforce the left flank, not much effect, then the coach tried to switch matthew and leonora moved to the center . it worked on the wing but it made the center weaker . leonara was not playing his best game today; positioning was bad, not sharp enough, not attentive for offside positioning...he could maybe have taken out leonora but who should replace him on that position ?? we also need to improve our passing game, we lost to fast possesion when we got it and attacks kept on coming giving no breathing time for the defense ; we met the better team today and that was it, i'm sure we can beat them but then we have to step up . now it's up to the team to show what they can muller wasn't running, yes. but our goal was bombarded with furious attacks from the VN side and if not for muller's exceptional goalkeeping we could have ended with at least a 6-1 scoreline. putting in drinkuth did not solve the problem because he isn't a defender. you said that carly had a lighter assignment on the right back but what i'd like to believe was that he did an excellent job defending his side which was why the VN squad switched to the other flank, tried it out and they found a gaping wide hole in our defense. not sure if it would have worked but maybe, if carly moved to the left back when VN started their onslaught on the right flank, things could have changed. van bossche was doing great at his position and we should have brought porteria back in. anyways, i still don't get it why we should insist on implementing an attacking game against a clearly more superior team when what we should have done was be on the defensive mode after we gained the lead. also, i've observed that our middle was too scattered and was way above the defensive line. on the 2nd half, i was expecting the MFs to help out the defense but no, we still forced ourselves to attack when all we needed at the time was to defend our side.
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Post by vimjonk on Nov 4, 2011 11:24:06 GMT 8
On Leonora: Actually, he is quite good but the team structure just doesn't suited him. He can run and can cause trouble on the other side of the pitch but with the quality of the opponent, the coach should see to it that there is always someone to cover for him. But as always, our defense is as leaky as a fishing net, so it makes Leonora so sucky. Might as well make CamCam a targetman. Sucky playing structure makes a player play sucky.
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Post by liverBLOODYREDpool on Nov 4, 2011 11:27:03 GMT 8
sheajane, why don't you just put your thoughts in one post instead of repeating them over and over in response to numerous posts. a lot of us might agree with some of what you say, but you don't have to take over the thread by repeating them over and over again. freedom of expression, sir moderator. you surely don't want what you're asking of the poster to be done to you, right? besides, it's up to the other posters to reply or ignore the posts. unless it's you who have issues with what sheanjane is saying? anyways, repeating important points is good. especially of the people who should take note aren't doing what they should do. peace, sire.
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Post by liverBLOODYREDpool on Nov 4, 2011 11:44:13 GMT 8
not sure if it would have worked out but they could have switched carly on the left back since the furious attacks were coming from the right flank with van bossche on the right back. and i thought they should have brought back porteria as he was doing a very good job at defending. I am not sure about this but i guess Leonora was sent as CB standing along Carli after Drinkuth subbed out Porteria? And if im not mistaken we only have 5 DFs in the squad (4 on pitch and 1 sub). Hope they can cover the mess in the back line in the next games. i think when porteria was subbed, leonora stayed on as left back. it was just on the latter part of the 2nd half that they moved leonora as CB with matt hartmann. i still maintain that carly should have switched to LB position when the VN side started attacking our right flank. he was a formidable defender which i think made the VN coaching staff switch their attacks to the other flank as they can't get through him and van bossche.
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Post by jpesarza on Nov 4, 2011 12:01:43 GMT 8
I am not sure about this but i guess Leonora was sent as CB standing along Carli after Drinkuth subbed out Porteria? And if im not mistaken we only have 5 DFs in the squad (4 on pitch and 1 sub). Hope they can cover the mess in the back line in the next games. i think when porteria was subbed, leonora stayed on as left back. it was just on the latter part of the 2nd half that they moved leonora as CB with matt hartmann. i still maintain that carly should have switched to LB position when the VN side started attacking our right flank. he was a formidable defender which i think made the VN coaching staff switch their attacks to the other flank as they can't get through him and van bossche. The team probably have reviewed the tapes right now, and my guess would be Weiss will still put the same men in the back line for the next games. Only this time, they will play better defending and marking. Leonora was exposed and it was a BIG mess but not only him our MFs made quite weak impressions as well. We just can't hold the ball for better options. Long balls was as well a major set back, how many of those long passes made through to the receiver perfectly? Major make up is really needed but im sure the team will bounce back, kids know how to fight. And as fans we should keep the faith. Laban lang.
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Post by liverBLOODYREDpool on Nov 4, 2011 12:15:03 GMT 8
i think when porteria was subbed, leonora stayed on as left back. it was just on the latter part of the 2nd half that they moved leonora as CB with matt hartmann. i still maintain that carly should have switched to LB position when the VN side started attacking our right flank. he was a formidable defender which i think made the VN coaching staff switch their attacks to the other flank as they can't get through him and van bossche. The team probably have reviewed the tapes right now, and my guess would be Weiss will still put the same men in the back line for the next games. Only this time, they will play better defending and marking. Leonora was exposed and it was a BIG mess but not only him our MFs made quite weak impressions as well. We just can't hold the ball for better options. Long balls was as well a major set back, how many of those long passes made through to the receiver perfectly? Major make up is really needed but im sure the team will bounce back, kids know how to fight. And as fans we should keep the faith. Laban lang. well, no choice naman. sinong ilalagay nila sa back 4 other than the same men di ba? if the same thing happens, they should shuffle the back 4 and put in the better defender on where the attacks are coming from. and they should put in valmayor in the starting XI, not mark hartmann. he was just too slow. and his kicks? darn... i can kick better than that. another thing, the middle should be really tight so as not to let any pass cut through the back. and yes, i agree that they should minimize those long balls.
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