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Post by beho on Jan 6, 2011 22:29:37 GMT 8
The 1991 SEA Games was held in Manila, at a time when football was still waning (remember that we did have a somewhat pro league in the 80's but it was disbanded because of a number of controversies) ... Now this is something I've never heard about. A somewhat pro league that failed. Was it anything like the current UFL and not just a small tournament? I'd like to hear more about this and why it failed. Would appreciate your input. to be honest bro., i also never did heard anything about that semi-pro league, all i knew that after thaqt amazing run in 1991 phil. football was carried by the momentum to form a semi-pro league but it was almost just the same like the previous old small tournaments, it was very short live & the phil. football slowly went back to oblivion!
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Post by samhain13 on Jan 7, 2011 1:35:28 GMT 8
^ Hahaha! This hard to relate since there's scant information on the web. In the late 90's, we had what's called the Manila Premier Football League (MPFL) and that must be what you're remembering. This league was contested by clubs like Loyola FC, Mendiola FC, etc., or re-branded UAAP/NCAA teams plus the regular AFP teams. To my understanding, some of these teams were semi-pro. This MPFL had one OK season so it was temporarily discontinued. I heard there were plans of reviving the league but the man who pulled the strings, the late Chris Monfort, unexpectedly passed away. The league that I was talking about was related to, if I'm not mistaken, what's called the MICAA or the Manila Industrial Commercial Athletic Association and whatever was left of it after it folded in the early-80s. I know this story about this "league" because of a couple people I'm acquainted with and who have played in it. One is Noel Herrera, who became our high school varsity team coach. The other guy is coach Bernie (I forget his last name), who coached Letran in the NCAA and was part of Mendiola's staff when they played in the MPFL. I also know that the late coach Chris played in that league because both Noel and Bernie mentioned playing with/against him-- not really sure who played with/against whom. When I was in college, in the mid- to late-90's, I was also able to play with a couple of guys from the MICAA's defunct Philippine Airlines team, who basically told me and my friends the same stories that Noel and Bernie told. To conclude: there was a "somewhat" pro league before and after 1991. --edit-- 1. Don't ask me why the MICAA folded because we don't want to start a "PBA destroyed Philippine football" flame war. (Hahaha! Just a word of caution.) 2. I believe coach Bernie's last name is Cordero. Still not sure though.
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Post by beho on Jan 7, 2011 16:23:43 GMT 8
^ Hahaha! This hard to relate since there's scant information on the web. In the late 90's, we had what's called the Manila Premier Football League (MPFL) and that must be what you're remembering. This league was contested by clubs like Loyola FC, Mendiola FC, etc., or re-branded UAAP/NCAA teams plus the regular AFP teams. To my understanding, some of these teams were semi-pro. This MPFL had one OK season so it was temporarily discontinued. I heard there were plans of reviving the league but the man who pulled the strings, the late Chris Monfort, unexpectedly passed away. The league that I was talking about was related to, if I'm not mistaken, what's called the MICAA or the Manila Industrial Commercial Athletic Association and whatever was left of it after it folded in the early-80s. I know this story about this "league" because of a couple people I'm acquainted with and who have played in it. One is Noel Herrera, who became our high school varsity team coach. The other guy is coach Bernie (I forget his last name), who coached Letran in the NCAA and was part of Mendiola's staff when they played in the MPFL. I also know that the late coach Chris played in that league because both Noel and Bernie mentioned playing with/against him-- not really sure who played with/against whom. When I was in college, in the mid- to late-90's, I was also able to play with a couple of guys from the MICAA's defunct Philippine Airlines team, who basically told me and my friends the same stories that Noel and Bernie told. To conclude: there was a "somewhat" pro league before and after 1991. --edit-- 1. Don't ask me why the MICAA folded because we don't want to start a "PBA destroyed Philippine football" flame war. (Hahaha! Just a word of caution.) 2. I believe coach Bernie's last name is Cordero. Still not sure though. Thnks for the info. bro! really appreciate it!
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Post by samhain13 on Jan 8, 2011 12:15:05 GMT 8
^ No problem. I wish I knew more or can remember more of what I was told. These things really made nice conversations after games/training. If you're still in contact with the old guys, maybe you can ask them about it. I'm pretty sure the lot of them were involved in that defunct league in some way.
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Post by beho on Jan 21, 2011 9:18:18 GMT 8
^ No problem. I wish I knew more or can remember more of what I was told. These things really made nice conversations after games/training. If you're still in contact with the old guys, maybe you can ask them about it. I'm pretty sure the lot of them were involved in that defunct league in some way. ;)by the way, what team did you played in before?
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Post by vimjonk on Jan 21, 2011 10:19:01 GMT 8
^ ... 1. Don't ask me why the MICAA folded because we don't want to start a "PBA destroyed Philippine football" flame war. (Hahaha! Just a word of caution.) ... Isn't it true that PBA did destroy the old league or has hand on it? I have heard it from an old timers once, a bunch of referees talking in between half during a football match when i was still in high school ;D circa late 80s to early 90s...
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Post by markdelvalle on Jan 21, 2011 11:17:38 GMT 8
I think MICAA was not just a football alliance but an all-sporting (billards, basketball, football, darts, etc) alliance. Back in Cebu, I rememered my uncle playing for a commercial athletic assn., I guess anyone from the media in Cebu can clarify this, since he did play basketball for one of their teams.
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Post by markdelvalle on Jan 21, 2011 11:43:39 GMT 8
Also, aside from PBA, lets consider this: Even here in USA, NASL (which was one of the powerhouses of world soccer 70-80s, having had the New York Cosmos who had Pele, Beckenbauer, and such) dissipated over lack of funding, interest and increase in popularity by "Americanized" games like NFL, MLB, and NBA. The only time that football became a resurgence here was after USA hosted the 94' World Cup where people once again grew interest with watching or even playing "Soccer". Major League Soccer was established 1993 as a USA, and it kicked of 1996... But it never became popular until 2002. Thus said, it is pretty obvious that growing popularity definitely is a factor for whatever happens to sporting events in the Philippines. UFC becomes popular here, URCC becomes a reality there. the likes of Django Bustamante and Efren Reyes becomes a popular name in billards, poolhalls multiplies overnight. Whatever is popular, majority of Filipinos act on it. Lesson: Resurgence. Considering the achievements of Filipinos or Fil-fors across the globe, it is a great idea that we take advantage of what we can get to build and develop what we have now, especially in football. I think it is more likely for us now to have a better team, considering how proud Filipinos are now across the globe of being who they are (It used to be, the only way to figure out who is Filipino here in the US is to do the "taghoy", one simple "Psst...." and the Filipino amongst the croud will definitely turn and look at you, or looking at people giving directions, we do that "head thing" using out heads to point at directions.... But now, We got PINOY PRIDE going on. People wearing t-shirts with the Philippine flag emblem, proud to be Pinoy shirts, even I have the Philippine's Stars and Sun Tattooed on me!), using this popularity and pride system will definitely attract Filipinos to come out and show who they are and be glad to represent Our Country. Even non nationals are even wanting to be naturalized now to bring pride to the country that they have considered home (Elhabib bro's can always go back to Sudan and practice what they do, but yet, theyd rather be wearing our countries colors to show their gratitude towards our country). Hope it makes sense, Ive been drinking my early shots of bourbon, and missing my tanduay
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Post by vimjonk on Jan 21, 2011 17:56:42 GMT 8
^^^ a Sudanese related anecdote here I have once talked to a UN volunteer who was assigned to Sudan... According to him, Sudanese intellectuals have a general disdain to their fellow Sudanese. They generalized that most Sudanese are lazy and have a genetic sense of entitlement. They don't want to work hard if they could managed it. So, most Sudanese intellectuals would rather want to get out just like Filipinos want to acquire American citizenship. The main difference is that Filipinos prefer the USA while Sudanese immigrants doesn't have much general preference for a new nationality.
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Post by markdelvalle on Jan 22, 2011 3:31:03 GMT 8
so are you saying that Filipinos are just as lazy as the Sudanese?
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Post by samhain13 on Jan 22, 2011 12:25:03 GMT 8
;)by the way, what team did you played in before? Just small outfits. In the late 90s - early 2000s, I was with Sunken Garden United FC. Then a bunch of friends and I started a club called, Sons Of Lourdes FC, in 2003 but I haven't been on the pitch for a long time now. markdelvalle: yup, the MICAA was a multi-discipline affair much like the UAAP and NCAA, except that instead of school teams, the sports were contested by company teams.
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Post by markdelvalle on Jan 22, 2011 12:55:10 GMT 8
So basically, commercialization of the PBA wherein it attracted more followers because of the fast action sport (you dont have to wait 90 minutes for the first basket in bball) that allows impatient fans to get bewildered by the sport vaccumed any possible support towards the football league (which was backed by MICAA). correct?
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Post by vimjonk on Jan 22, 2011 12:56:15 GMT 8
so are you saying that Filipinos are just as lazy as the Sudanese? considering the squalor of majority of Filipinos in most metropolitan areas, you can be mostly true on your conclusion sometimes maybe even more since Sudan is mostly desert... but were getting OT here ;D
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Post by samhain13 on Jan 22, 2011 15:40:12 GMT 8
So basically, commercialization of the PBA wherein it attracted more followers because of the fast action sport (you dont have to wait 90 minutes for the first basket in bball) that allows impatient fans to get bewildered by the sport vaccumed any possible support towards the football league (which was backed by MICAA). correct? At the risk of going more OT, let me just say that this assumption is problematic. I don't know the much about the split between the PBA and the MICAA but commercialisation of basketball shouldn't have been a problem since MICAA was already commercialised. The split then must have started elsewhere, like politics between some parties. The Wikipedia article on the PBA says, "The Philippine Basketball Association was founded as a 'rebellion' of nine teams from the now-defunct Manila Industrial and Commercial Athletic Association (MICAA) which was tightly controlled by the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP; now defunct), the then-FIBA recognized national association." The article goes on to say that the split was caused by the nine "rebel" teams wanting a fully-pro basketball league, which is against BAP rules at the time— making the MICAA league semi-pro only. (It actually says amateur but the players got allowances and, I suspect, other stuff that you can't really qualify as salaries but are worth a lot.) I say it's still politics because organisational rules/laws are not set in stone anyway. If the basketball teams and the BAP had a healthy relationship, it shouldn't have been hard to amend BAP rules or even their charter to include provisions on professionalism.
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Post by al luz812 on Jan 31, 2011 12:52:14 GMT 8
Generally, i agree with you that the present team is a better team than the 1991 team however, i can safely say the 1991 team was a more exciting team(bec. of the triumvirate of bedia, del rosario & figiderio the goal scorer vs. malaysia), its hard to explain ,i've seen both teams play & i'm just kind of frustrated with the present team's forward line, ian araneta simply was'nt good enough for his spot, maybe in the future he will but as of now he's not! i hope the national training pool could find someone who plays in the mold of elmer bedia(does anyone here have seen him play?) surely he would create a lot of problems for the opposing teams & make it more competitive & surely more exciting! I think excitement, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder-- if you think that the 1991 team was more exciting to watch, then who are we to say otherwise? But that goes both ways. I have to agree though that the offensive capabilities of the 2010 team needs improvement, and I can only hope that that improvement comes sooner rather than later. But I'd stop there because we really can't compare Araneta with Bedia (or P. Younghusband with N. Figidero) since they didn't play with and against the same people-- it's hard to find a basis for making a decent comparison. No disrespect to any one, but how was Bedia's finishing? How many goals actually came from all the scoring opportunities that he created or that his team created for him? bedia at his prime would be a perfect fit to the 2010 team. he can create great damage upfront with with a bunch of filfors behind him. ive seen the guy on the pitch, by the late 80s he played football in australia and lived with his family there up to now. yes, bedia is a better player upfront than those of the 2010 team. but the 1991 NT dont stand a chance against the azkals. very competent field players and there is THE NEIL between the posts.
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