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Post by speedy on Aug 15, 2013 11:20:21 GMT 8
I think the strategy was to play the veterans first before slowly substituting the new players. You can hear from TV, Coach Weiss was settling the team down as the team was pretty nervous.
The team was a bit sluggish and was not at the same level as Indonesia (maybe there is pressure to them to perform unlike us).
Second half performance was good with Porteria and Angeles coming in. Also Misagh gave some good runs.
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Post by hat3trick on Aug 15, 2013 11:23:28 GMT 8
Coach McMenemy is right, But during FIFA International friendly I'm tired to see experimentations. I Must give credits to the players specially to Gier, Mulders and the Global FC boys. You still did a great Job, now its our turn to host a friendly match.
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Post by raptours on Aug 15, 2013 11:53:04 GMT 8
One thing that I noticed is that some or most of the players were out of form, maybe because it's off-season. They were lacking intensity in the game which resulted to poor runs and numerous aimless long balls. The midfield was very disorganized and a lot of miscommunications. Well I guess that's what you get when you get to play only one game in two months. I don't blame the players, and I don't blame the coaching staff but I do blame the committee who arranges the schedule of international matches due to lack of games.
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Post by johnmarki on Aug 15, 2013 11:54:37 GMT 8
another thing I noticed is with ed. May shot on target lang lalabas agad sya.He should have more patience as a goalie.
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Post by strikerbon on Aug 15, 2013 12:19:06 GMT 8
i know im not expert but most of you will agree if Barbaso was our starter at RB. i also noticed that Angel hasn't been doing anything good while playing as a winger and Cheffy isn't a starting material anymore. you can compare the impact that what Porteria gives when he replaced Caligdong. and also we cannot rely heavily on Phil and let him do something in our attack, Phil isn't the penetrator type of player because he is not a good dribbler unlike the likes of Bahadoran and Porteria. and also it's okay to experiment but not against Indonesia, we can do some experimentation with the likes of Cambodia and Laos
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Post by Caz on Aug 15, 2013 13:21:27 GMT 8
The Azkals just need to keep playing games. We actually have a pretty deep pool filled with locally-based players. They just need to have games together, even against clubs if FIFA ranking points are considered precious. They were so rusty last night it was painful to watch. I will say this, a sharp, battle-hardened Azkals squad, even with the same players, would have beaten Indonesia. Phil is frustrating as a lone striker though in tournaments he improves as it goes on. Still, it would be best if he had someone with him up front as we saw when he was paired with Patiño. Good to see players I've long felt deserved a chance to be capped. I hope Deyto gets his start soon. Right now though, I don't see them winning the SEA Games. And that's all the PSC/POC want to see.
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Post by leoisiah on Aug 15, 2013 13:24:52 GMT 8
On the funny side, Christiaens did something like this last night:
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Post by ptrfootball on Aug 15, 2013 16:46:23 GMT 8
We should have FIFA international friendly with teams we know we can beat... Kasi nakaka discourage naman. Invite nalang clubs from other countries and experiment with that. Also, why don't we follow what PBA is doing with the national men's basketball team. Other words keep the azkals as a team in the UFL. At least the U23 or the new players. So that they can jell together. If I'm wrong then just get a good or better coach.
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Post by dingodile5 on Aug 15, 2013 16:47:26 GMT 8
The best thing to prepare for a tourney is that the Philippines should have a separate training for our U-23 and the senior team. Both team have different tournaments to join to. Only financial difficulties is the main problem for this as it needs financial assistance. Indonesia's senior and U-23 have separate game yesterday. Their senior played us and their U-23 played Brunei.
The only good thing here is that the several local youngsters proved a worth for our team.
To improve in our next FIFA ranking, Philippines should plan friendlies for September FIFA match dates as this is counted in the next FIFA rankings.
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Post by peteryang57 on Aug 15, 2013 17:27:43 GMT 8
If I may be allowed to give my views Sir, these are my following analysis.
Senior/first eleven players in starting line up: This step are also been used my many European professional clubs in their friendly matches. Start off with the match by fielding the senior players to give stability in the team and as the match been played then gradually introduce new players in, Barcelona arguably the best football team in the world also does that in their friendlies in their recent concluded tour in South America and in Asia both Thailand and Malaysia.
Players been played out of their normal positions?: I can only summed up one aspect as to why The Philippines opt such strategy/tactics. I think The Philippines has the Asian Cup and the AFC Challenge Cup finals (which the latter is supposed to be held in Maldives some next year) in mind. These are the two major targets the Philippines football has drawn up. In the AFC Challenge Cup last outing where The Philippines team lost narrowly in the semi finals which was held in Nepal, the team did ran short in replacements when players were injured and got suspended. If I'm not wrong each team are only allowed 18 players ( including reserves ). When you take away 11 players from the rooster, you will only have 7 players to act as reserves, and even if the tournament allows 22 players, which mean every department has at least one replacement but it's not guaranteed either. cos sometimes you may encounter in particular department, both the first choice and his replacement are out of action at the same time, such as suspension. injuries and health. In such awkward situation the team management need to come up with a make up alternative plan and that is to reshuffle and shift the team formation and available players around to fill in the void/vacant position/department. Maybe for this reason that is why they decide to experiment playing players from their usual position, as an alternative backup plan in the coming future tournaments
Professional Players: Been professional players, but they are also humans, There are also other criteria that has to take into consideration as well, such as players form and conditioning, climates, environment diet foods or supplements and rest/sleep time as well. No matter how fit the players are, they will get tired. One very common factor is sufficient rest time. When the team does not have enough rest time/ sufficient sleep , the team will struggle in their games during in the match. Human beings need food water and sufficient rest/decent sleep to recover fresh for the next day to begin. I heard that the team flight to Indonesia was been hours delayed due to climate weather, Here again we see climates does play a part and affect team preparation prior to the match and the team did not have enough rest/decent sleep time which may be the cause that led to their under performing in this match defeat to the Indonesia team.
Barcelona,Football Club ended their friendly matches across the continent on selected places, They started off by thrashing Brazil Santos 8-0, and they were in Israel and Middle East as well If I'm not wrong before they ended up with their last two friendlies with Thailand and Malaysia, beating both these South East Asia teams 7-1 and 3-1 respectively. We can take note that they started off brightly scoring 8 goals past Santos without conceding. Against Thailand they scored 7 goals and started to concede a goal. In their last match that wrap up their tour, they could only scored 3 goals and conceded one goal to the Malaysia team, Hence we could see the Barcelona players were already getting a bit tired due to travelling time distance climates and number of friendly matches they has to play, Messi did not played in the Barcelona last match against the Malaysia team as he and Pedro were nursing injuries they sustained in the match against Thailand, But still Barcelona field most of their first eleven who were available, with players like Xavi Iniesta Pigue Neymar Valdo Sanchez Neymar etc and as the match been played they gradually introduced few of their U-21 players into the match and the same pattern the Malaysia team did as well when they took off their senior players and brought in their juniors in the the match as well.
These are just my personal views which I hope it did not offend anyone here, and should it, then please accept my sincere humble apologies.
Thank you
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Post by johnmarki on Aug 15, 2013 23:52:06 GMT 8
The Azkals just need to keep playing games. We actually have a pretty deep pool filled with locally-based players. They just need to have games together, even against clubs if FIFA ranking points are considered precious. They were so rusty last night it was painful to watch. I will say this, a sharp, battle-hardened Azkals squad, even with the same players, would have beaten Indonesia. Phil is frustrating as a lone striker though in tournaments he improves as it goes on. Still, it would be best if he had someone with him up front as we saw when he was paired with Patiño. Good to see players I've long felt deserved a chance to be capped. I hope Deyto gets his start soon. Right now though, I don't see them winning the SEA Games. And that's all the PSC/POC want to see. Totally agree with you. They need playing experience. I think it would be better if we would have friendlies with south east asian clubs. As the transport fee would not be too high.
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Post by xclentoy on Aug 17, 2013 6:51:37 GMT 8
or PHL Xl can play UFL teams just to keep in-form.
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Post by johnmarki on Aug 17, 2013 8:32:05 GMT 8
or PHL Xl can play UFL teams just to keep in-form. The "PHL x1" as you call it, need friendlies from a higher level club. So that they will grow enormously. UFL teams however are not even in the "decent" level yet. Even some of the UFL team players are working on other jobs. I don't say that UFL teams are not a challenge, they are. But a national team/b team needs experience playing against (experienced) "pro" players.
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Post by Wiking on Aug 23, 2013 14:57:36 GMT 8
I've got so much to say about how Weiss played this match most of it negative. In such a hostile environment, about 2 weeks of practice and very young players we went in there and deservedly got what we deserved. A 2-0 drubbing. There is no rhyme or reason I can understand what this coach does.
Last year we drew Indonesia when we were down a man, we dominated that 1st half now this game! Yes I know some personnel were different but man! We had too many good players to lose 2-0 against the home team. I can only deduce that the coaching leads much to be desired.
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