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Post by invoker09 on Nov 8, 2011 11:57:46 GMT 8
People who are comparing mcmenemy to michael weiss, just drop it. Why the heck can't people understand that Mcmenemy's style of football stunts your development as football players. I've seen Mcmenemy's statlines in games. The opposing teamsplayers usually have 60% or above on ball possession. His gameplan was to play turtle offense. Which in my opinion will never progress your team because you can't rely on miracle goals to win you games all the time. If you want to improve play in the PH then first thing you gotta do is to change the system of play, and that doesn't happen over the course of one year. When spain switched their formations they were getting killed. It took even them a while to get used to the system of play and then started dominating. Our game atm is being influenced by German style of play which as most of you should know is dynamic attacking football. The philosophy of scoring more than your opponents do and players need to learn how to play like that. Coach Weiss did his best to organize a team thats been together 1 month with players flying in 1 or 2 days before. You can't blame him for that either. Football is a team sport, when your team loses. Its everyones fault. When they win, its everybody's win.
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Post by bigfoot on Nov 8, 2011 12:03:16 GMT 8
All the 20 Timor Leste players born on 1. Jan 1988 ? That is obviously not correct... Philippines got only 5 of the 20 players under 20 y.o yes, but they were on the field and not on the bench !! that's the difference . Mark Hartmann 1992, Jacques van Bossche 1992, Jose Elmer Porteria 1994, Joshua Beloya 1991, Jeffrey Christiaens 1991, Manny Ott 1992, Patrick Hinrichsen 1991, Mark Drinkuth 1991, Gerardo Valmayor 1992, Marwin Angeles 1991, Raymark Kenneth Fernandes 1991 and a few more of 1990 ( De Jong, javier) Compare it with the other squads and the effective players .
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Post by royg on Nov 8, 2011 12:44:25 GMT 8
I don't think its wise for a coach to concede as early as that. IMO, if that's how Weiss removes pressure from his lads then its not helping, it only removes confidence on his players individually and would only show aspiring players local/foreign based that our NT is not worth sacrificing. It only shows he feels more pressure as a coach rather than his players.
Narrow the chances of going to semis would be, I hope that his players prove him wrong. my 2 cents
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Post by Katipunero on Nov 8, 2011 14:16:49 GMT 8
After that bad taste in the mouth(actually all over the body) the match left here are my thoughts on the game. 1. Let's give credit where it's due. East Timor have vastly improved. Aside from their foriegn-based players, they've had excellent grassroots development exhibited by a notable close 1-0 loss to Japan in an U17 contest. This U23 squad of East Timor plays better than their senior squad based on their recent matches. While we are still better at top level, they'll be a dangerous team once these youth of theirs move up. 2. Their possesion game in the final third was superb as well as their counters. Those big strong athletic attackers of theirs gave our struggling defenders headaches. But what impressed me the most is their ability to disrupt us in the midfield beating our forwards to the ball coming from behind. This disrupted our passing game and made us rely on long balls. Late in the second half when our midfielders and defenders pushed forward we were able to disrupt this but it was a little too late. 3. I trust Weiss to tweak players positions. It worked for Shroeck who now even plays MF for his club. But he should put a shorter leash on these experiments and once he sees this isn't working he should drop it. For example our captain may be a better player pound for pound but I'd rather now put my money on natural defenders like Basa. 4. Speaking of the Hartmanns, I can forgive Matt somewhat given he was not playing his natural position. But Mark has obviosuly not walked the talked. Our offensive fluidity improved when he was subbed off for Clarino. I dont know if its his style of play or chemistry with Valmayor but I wish we could see a better work rate and quality in his play. 5. We've had a few bright spots, De Murga was threatening going forward. Oj Porteria and Jeffrey Christiaens are shifty and quick on the wings. While De Jong and Ott proved to be our heartbeat in the midfield especially when we pushed for our equalizer. Valmayor, and maybe even Clarino, with a little more exposure have the potential to find places on the Seniors squad. Our national team's options in goal, midfield and upfront look to be safe. The back is a real problem but fortunately defenders have longer lifespans. 6. Our medal round hopes took a big blow yesterday. It would take a minor miracle for us to go through. Hey who knows, I think were due for one. But ifever we don't I want to say lets give a little patience to the team. The leap we made this past year is almost a decade's work. The coach may have made some mistakes, but remember hes not just coaching for the match hes tasked to coach for the future as well. Lets look at the bigger picture here. I just want to share this article on the called 'Death of Brazil'. Even mighty Brazil faces challenges of footballing identity. In our stage, in our day there will be even bigger challenges than what we face now. Patience and hopefully we will reap the rewards sooner rather than later. espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/columnist/vickery_tim/id/7202639/world-cup-2014-brazil-death-greatly-exaggerated-tim-vickeryPerhaps the one scapegoat here is preparation. The U23 has to have its own coaching staff. While we want a similar system to the seniors to ease transition, It cant be the same coach. We should have prepared better for this tournament, what a golden chance with the group we're given. Most of the other squads had their U23 join the Olympic Qualifiers, we should have the foresight to join these tournaments. And in terms of grassroots, maybe it should be discussed in another thread but I hope concrete steps are taken. We will forever have fil-foreign players as options, and yes given the level of football they will always be better than our locals. Thats still no reason to not help the game grow here.
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Post by benzgm on Nov 8, 2011 14:27:21 GMT 8
and here's mike limpag's take on our last match. cebufootball.blogspot.com/2011/11/failed-u23-experiment.htmlending it with. "Sure, the team did their best, sure they deserve our support.
But we are long past that moment when “at least they did their best” is enough.
Because it isn’t.
And this Under 23 team—and coaching staff--deserve to be told: You guys are not doing enough.
It’s as simple as that."
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Post by bigfoot on Nov 8, 2011 14:50:36 GMT 8
"team that seemed to treat the SEAG as a vacation, or a chance to gain more Twitter followers"
if your article starts in this way you would be very surprised if he would have come to another conclusion . though he has his points and those should be addressed, i feel more that he tries to prove a point that he was trying to make before . anybody who has been following his comments earlier ? is he even here in jakarta or is he just watching this from his easy chair at home or in a bar with a cold glass of beer in front of him ?
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Post by stellarboy on Nov 8, 2011 15:33:49 GMT 8
Here's a reflection from senior NT player Lexton Moy, to quote: "I hope, we too can stand strong behind a young U23 team and show the rest of the Football world that the Philippines can stand United. As a spectator and supporter, I hope we can reserve the love and judgement to where it can be constructive and not wasteful. I wish our young Azkal’s the very best moving on after two defeats in this years SEA Games, and I also wish the support for the development of the sport can hold strong in the teams endeavors."soccerpirrs.com/zone/coaching/u23-azkals-overcoming-odds-stacked-against/
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Post by narko on Nov 8, 2011 16:30:25 GMT 8
People who are comparing mcmenemy to michael weiss, just drop it. Why the heck can't people understand that Mcmenemy's style of football stunts your development as football players. I've seen Mcmenemy's statlines in games. The opposing teamsplayers usually have 60% or above on ball possession. His gameplan was to play turtle offense. Which in my opinion will never progress your team because you can't rely on miracle goals to win you games all the time. If you want to improve play in the PH then first thing you gotta do is to change the system of play, and that doesn't happen over the course of one year. When spain switched their formations they were getting killed. It took even them a while to get used to the system of play and then started dominating. Our game atm is being influenced by German style of play which as most of you should know is dynamic attacking football. The philosophy of scoring more than your opponents do and players need to learn how to play like that. Coach Weiss did his best to organize a team thats been together 1 month with players flying in 1 or 2 days before. You can't blame him for that either. Football is a team sport, when your team loses. Its everyones fault. When they win, its everybody's win. Thumbs up invoker. It took Spain 12 years to get where they are now. As for Germany's dynamic, attacking football, that's only a recent development. The change started during Klinmann's reign with the national squad in the 2006 World Cup. He introduced a swashbuckling, dynamic approach to the game that was considered not very German at the time. They ended up in 3rd place but they haven't looked back since and that style of play has now become a trademark and they are developing their youth players to be able to play that system (as Spain has done with theirs). Taking Germany to the finals of Euro 2008 and the semifinals of World Cup 2010. A word about our foreign based players who just fly in a few days for the match. Despite the lack of familiarity and time to establish chemistry and cohesion, you could see the versatility and connection of some of our European players in display against Timor Leste. Take for instance Carli's shot at goal. It was short passes right into the box. I can't remember who was involved but that attempt resulted from a series of short, quick and incisive passing moves between players who ply their trades in different countries. Players based overseas flying in to join the team (seniors and U23) will be a regular feature, as it is in many other national teams as they without doubt bring added value. What the PFF and our football community here has to do is help develop a core of local based players to attain a level of skill and ability that would make all these local and foreign based players fit into a system that works. This is where the U13, U16, U19 programs will be crucial. This is where the core of the local based players need to be developed and honed in preparation for eventually joining the U23 and senior squads. These age groups will also need to be exposed to competitions and training camps overseas. There is a long road ahead. It took our neighbors years to get where they are now considering the amount of resources and focus they have placed on their respective programs. We just started taking all this seriously and on a much higher level, what, like one year ago? We have to admit there has been a marked improvement, some setbacks notwithstanding. As for the setbacks, part of the learning process and growth pains. What we have to remember is that Weiss is simply one cog in the whole machine that is Philippine football. The big picture for me is that I want to see our country play quality football, and be credibly competitive and not simply rely on spirit, guts and a little bit of luck. I want to see players being developed that can play good football, not only talented but also possessing vision and a good footballing IQ. We may lose some matches along the way but as long as I see the quality of our football improving steadily, I'm a happy guy. As things stand right now, for me it is still so far so good.
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Post by rhamz84 on Nov 8, 2011 18:14:25 GMT 8
OT: Ano latest news sa Group A?
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Post by Tiggy on Nov 8, 2011 18:40:24 GMT 8
OT: Ano latest news sa Group A? Malaysia draws with singapore. Indonesia beats Cambodia 6-0. Those 3 teams are the Biggest Challenge if we ever take second place in our group.
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Post by rhamz84 on Nov 8, 2011 19:28:16 GMT 8
OT: Ano latest news sa Group A? Malaysia draws with singapore. Indonesia beats Cambodia 6-0. Those 3 teams are the Biggest Challenge if we ever take second place in our group. Thanks for input, looks like group A is indeed group of death. Looking forward with it.
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Post by wenden96 on Nov 8, 2011 19:46:17 GMT 8
bigfoot what i meant is that the scheduling of the players will be base on the asean level, european have a different set of schedule than the asean.....i meant if we cant hold our foreign base player due to their schedule in europe then use our local instead train them for 6 months.....because look at the reasons thrown everytime we loss "fatigue, jet lagged etc.....that is why i am a bit frustrated that the plan of the under 23 didnt push through last june......and still i can not accept the reason that they are preparing for the next ASEAN games....that is very amusing, they have a lot of time to prepare since june this year up to this event.....i thought as per the PFF's agenda, the revival the under 23 national championship , is for the early creation of the under 23 squad whoever will top the national tourney, and for the early training including international exposure to harness the individual skills and cohesiveness. Well this is philippines everything works in a mysterious ways even the selection of the squad. on the side thanks for the info....regarding the kid from ilocos sur................it is like the RIFA kids play in australia this year they are way better than our under 16 kids sent last asean u16 championship.....the kids in davao and bacolod also they have a different program funded by non-pff group.........question is will PFF will look to this kids in the future? are they willing to continue the dvelopment of kids? i doubt as of now....
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Post by Tiggy on Nov 8, 2011 20:28:09 GMT 8
Right now I'm really pissed off by those people in Yahoo Ph. They think U-23 is the "Azkals" were The Younghusbands are playing on.
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Post by rhamz84 on Nov 8, 2011 20:33:40 GMT 8
Right now I'm really pissed off by those people in Yahoo Ph. They think U-23 is the "Azkals" were The Younghusbands are playing on. Can't blame those people who's not doing their homework 1st.
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Post by Tiggy on Nov 8, 2011 20:58:43 GMT 8
Right now I'm really pissed off by those people in Yahoo Ph. They think U-23 is the "Azkals" were The Younghusbands are playing on. Can't blame those people who's not doing their homework 1st. I come to think of it, back when I was a part of our school paper, We don't usually publish loses in our school paper unless it was a Championship or something similar due to the reason it could demoralize the student body. Right now Yahoo published one of our loses from my point was not a good move. The Sri lankan draw and the Kuwait 0-3 loss wasn't publish as far as I can remember, So why would they In the middle of the tournament publish a loss which made some of our "fellow" filipinos think we really s*ck on football
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