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Post by strikerbon on Jun 7, 2011 9:30:03 GMT 8
Simon McMenemy record when he was a coach of our NT
10 games 3- wins 5- draws and 2- losses.. McMenemy became the youngest football coach in the world of an international side at the age of 33. The team reached the knockout stage for the first time, eventually losing to Indonesia in the semifinals, 2-0 aggregate.
Hans Michael Weiss
5 games 2 wins 2 draws and 1- loss.. but i observed, our current NT players are having difficulties of adopting his system. Do he need to change his playing strategies of being to offensive minded? Macca was known for his defensive style of play.
what can you say guys?
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 7, 2011 10:09:40 GMT 8
take a look at the "goals conceded" of the team including the tune-up games.
you will see the stark contrast of the stability of the defensive formation employed by both coaches.
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Post by xyz1000 on Jun 7, 2011 10:42:21 GMT 8
Too lazy to post the summary, but if you look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_national_football_team_fixtures_and_resultsyou'll see that when Coach Mc was at the helm we beat teams that we're supposed to beat convincingly -- Macau and Timor. And then the opposition just got better with Singapore, Vietnam, Myanmmar and Indonesia. We outplayed teams we weren't supposed to. In none of those games were we embarrassed. Even in the two games with Indonesia the defense was very good, impressive even. Contrast that with the latest results. Mongolia beat us. Myanmmar and Palestine were the highest quality and they are arguably much lower than Singapore, Vietnam, and Indonesia. We did nothing impressive against them. Coach W has been very lucky with the quality of opponents faced. And this is with a team that is much better on paper -- Lucena, Aldeguer as new additions. Unfortunately, we're coming up against Kuwait if we're good enough to beat Sri Lanka, which at this stage I'm not taking for granted. This last outing with the UFL-all stars is an alarm that if nothing changes, the Azkals aren't going to progress.
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Post by strikerbon on Jun 7, 2011 10:57:33 GMT 8
so its pretty obvious that Macca is way better than Weiss right? but i hope as the time goes on, the players will adopt Weiss system. i hope he will take a look for our defense since defense was our key to advance in AFF Suzuki Cup 2010
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Post by fadzki on Jun 7, 2011 11:06:45 GMT 8
I guess Azkals should get a defensive coach to help coach Weiss... I think Jerry Lucena although not a coach he was the one helping Coach Weiss organize the defense last AFC Challenge Cup...
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Post by narko on Jun 7, 2011 12:40:09 GMT 8
One way to look at McMenemy and Weiss is in terms of approach.
McMenemy's approach was effectiveness over the short term, to get quick results. He adopted his formation, system and/or style of play to the players he had at hand, based on his assessment of their strengths and weaknesses. This is a pragmatic approach and could be effective in certain situations.
Weiss approach is more in a long term perspective. He has a system and style of play in mind that he wishes for the team to develop. He then tries to get the available players he has at his disposal to learn to play to that system and then also look for other players good enough to play that system and style. Notice that he is still on the lookout for prospective players. Having established this system and style will later on facilitate the work of the coaches and officials because this helps narrow down the types of players they need to scout and recruit in the future. This also helps set the blueprint for how youth and grassroots coaching and training is standardized nationwide so that local and homegrown players are developed with the skills, ability and intelligence to play the style and system used by our NT (I am assuming of course that PFF has this in their strategic blueprint, otherwise what's the point of developing a particular style or system of play for the NT if our grassroots and youth development programs won't train our young players to have the technical skill and ability to play the system envisioned for our NT).
Note how there is reference to the Brazilian way of playing, the Spanish way with the ball always on the ground, the German way, Argentinian with their obsession with the importance of the enganche, etc...This is why top NTs do very well even if their players don't play in the same clubs/teams. It is all a matter of the coach selecting and placing the right players in the right position, then with a little tweaking and despite limited practice time can get them to play as if they have been playing together in the same team for several seasons. That's why some really good players don't get picked because the coach feels he won't fit the system and it would be impractical to change the system and style of play radically just to accommodate a certain player. The key here is to get players to play in the NT the same way they do in their clubs, so that teamwork and cohesion is more quickly achieved.
So question is, are we now at a stage where we can adopt the Weiss approach with its accompanying "birth pains?" Or should we first take the pragmatic approach of McMenemy and safely consolidate some positive results and wins to further solidify football's growing popularity?
For me, my view with any argument is that the answer usually lies in between the two contrasting points on the issue.
By the way, nice thread you started here Strikerbon. Looking forward to some of the valuable insights and comments of the other regulars.
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Post by cjeagle on Jun 7, 2011 13:51:14 GMT 8
Just want to update you guys with Coach Simon's current coaching history in Vietnam. He tried to adopt his defensive techniques with his team over there when he realized that his players didn't have the skill levels of the other teams. The result was to keep the scores lower but that didn't stop his team from losing. His team is about to be relegated and it is quite possible that he will get fired when this happens.
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Post by sheajane80 on Jun 7, 2011 13:53:10 GMT 8
narko okay tong post ni narko. may punto.
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Post by vimjonk on Jun 7, 2011 18:20:01 GMT 8
cjeagleit was reported that Macca has a problem working with an interpreter at the club.
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Post by akosiabab on Jun 7, 2011 19:37:34 GMT 8
NT players natin nanibago lng as a attacking team. dati kasi run run and shoot at depensive team. hindi nyo ba nakita ang NT ngayon ay naging agressiv at may confident na mag attack. madedevelop din yan. hindi basta basta maka adpot as attacking team. pero sa ngayon im glad na naging attacking team na din ang NT thnks to coach weis
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Post by sheajane80 on Jun 7, 2011 21:43:28 GMT 8
no to burkey and sabio!
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Post by slayermoonlight on Jun 7, 2011 21:55:05 GMT 8
Is it possible that we hire back Mr. Mc as defensive coach? imagine the combination of Michael Weiss as Head Coach/Offensive Coach, Simon McMenemy as defensive strategist, an Pascal Zuberbuhler as goalkeeper coach
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Post by wenden96 on Jun 7, 2011 22:06:50 GMT 8
One way to look at McMenemy and Weiss is in terms of approach. McMenemy's approach was effectiveness over the short term, to get quick results. He adopted his formation, system and/or style of play to the players he had at hand, based on his assessment of their strengths and weaknesses. This is a pragmatic approach and could be effective in certain situations. Weiss approach is more in a long term perspective. He has a system and style of play in mind that he wishes for the team to develop. He then tries to get the available players he has at his disposal to learn to play to that system and then also look for other players good enough to play that system and style. Notice that he is still on the lookout for prospective players. Having established this system and style will later on facilitate the work of the coaches and officials because this helps narrow down the types of players they need to scout and recruit in the future. This also helps set the blueprint for how youth and grassroots coaching and training is standardized nationwide so that local and homegrown players are developed with the skills, ability and intelligence to play the style and system used by our NT (I am assuming of course that PFF has this in their strategic blueprint, otherwise what's the point of developing a particular style or system of play for the NT if our grassroots and youth development programs won't train our young players to have the technical skill and ability to play the system envisioned for our NT). Note how there is reference to the Brazilian way of playing, the Spanish way with the ball always on the ground, the German way, Argentinian with their obsession with the importance of the enganche, etc...This is why top NTs do very well even if their players don't play in the same clubs/teams. It is all a matter of the coach selecting and placing the right players in the right position, then with a little tweaking and despite limited practice time can get them to play as if they have been playing together in the same team for several seasons. That's why some really good players don't get picked because the coach feels he won't fit the system and it would be impractical to change the system and style of play radically just to accommodate a certain player. The key here is to get players to play in the NT the same way they do in their clubs, so that teamwork and cohesion is more quickly achieved. So question is, are we now at a stage where we can adopt the Weiss approach with its accompanying "birth pains?" Or should we first take the pragmatic approach of McMenemy and safely consolidate some positive results and wins to further solidify football's growing popularity? For me, my view with any argument is that the answer usually lies in between the two contrasting points on the issue. By the way, nice thread you started here Strikerbon. Looking forward to some of the valuable insights and comments of the other regulars. nice especially when you emphasize the grassroot program...that is if PFF would copy weiss strategy...... English and german coach to me can not be together because of the history...specifically in football they have each other pride....but if they set aside their I think it will be great.
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Post by narko on Jun 7, 2011 23:12:14 GMT 8
Wenden, PFF is letting Weiss handle the U23 team so we could look at this as an indication that there will be continuity there and integration between the two levels. This will ease the transition of the U23 players when they get picked to play with the Senior team.
Hopefully, PFF's technical committee is in close consultations with Weiss and his staff so that training and development down the line (U19, U17, etc.) is tailored to benefit the national teams and ensure that young local and homegrown players have the necessary ability, technique and skills to play the Azkal way.
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Post by sheajane80 on Jun 8, 2011 0:39:07 GMT 8
Is it possible that we hire back Mr. Mc as defensive coach? imagine the combination of Michael Weiss as Head Coach/Offensive Coach, Simon McMenemy as defensive strategist, an Pascal Zuberbuhler as goalkeeper coach yup naisip ko rin yan eh. since people here are saying maganda ang depensa ng azkals when mcdonald was our nt's coach. why not? dba? mas gusto ko mcdonald kasi masarap kesa macca o mcmenemy eh enemy maiisip ko. hehe. armchairsportsblogger.blogspot.com/2011/06/azkals-23-man-roster-as-i-broke-it.htmlpareho din kami ng idea, combination ng macca defense at weiss offense.
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