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Post by butchok on Nov 25, 2012 9:31:55 GMT 8
I think there are several factors that lead this loss to Thailand. First, our players are surprised by the physicality directed to them. They must have expected it and uses their size to counter those tactics. If you have watch the game "SIZE" factor we have an edge against the Thais. Second, the absence of a dependable goalkeeper this affected our attacking options as focus especifically among holding midfielders instead of orchestrating plays, setting passes and crosses he also need to exert effort in helping our back 4 in defending as we have inadequacies in manning the post. This resulted our formation being not so solid at the middle as it committed another player to do some defending. Also it affected the confidence of our strikers knowing these goalkeeping weakness they were having second thoughts to become more cautious on pressing attacks as they have retreat back quickly if they losses possession. Third, the selection of first team had some loopholes, as many observed here Thais' attacks including one of their goal they routed them to the right where Jonsson was positioned. Many fans opinionated that Jonsson should not be in rightback position as it's not his natural position he is more effective in the left flank but Cagara is superior in skills so that position was locked to him. But who should have taken the RB position? Jeffrey Christiaens' strenght is also on the left not right and Carli who is quite impressive experience at RB is at sick bay. If only Demit Omphroy was not stricken by flu, the right flank defenses could have been different. Another glaring mistake is they let Reichelt to sub instead to start. At first half, the team missed Reichelt's aggressiveness and untiring workrate. And Caligdong ? come'on. It should be Marwin at the start. I am just hoping they will make major adjustments on their succeeding matches. Good luck, Azkals ! ! !
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Post by shanks608 on Nov 25, 2012 9:45:40 GMT 8
The poor man marking and the sloppy passes cost us those 2 goals.. During the 1st goal, our defense just seemed lost. everyone was just ball watching and gave that thai player a lot of space and time to make that shot. The 2nd goal was because of the sloppy passes not just in that instance but all night! Our passing during the 1st half was really lousy! Only Paul Mulders I believe was doing well in that half. Everyone seems to blame Ray Jonsson, but IMO Ray made a lot of crucial interceptions. He was not that effective at RB but who are we gonna place there? Both our natural RB's (Omphroy & Carli) are injured. He was a better compromise than playing someone else. James and Chieffy both non existent last night! Props to chieffy for his service to the national team but just like Araneta there are more players who deserve that spot than him right now. We were clearly dominated by Thailand last night and we lacked efficiency at the final attacking 3rd. Angel had some neat touches but he looks really slow.. If we want to win our next matches we need to regroup and learn from that Thailand game. and the coach's action, It may be frustrating for him but that was really uncalled for. Unintentional?? he clearly looked at the player and threw the ball at him. Lol!
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Post by dlalata on Nov 25, 2012 9:46:38 GMT 8
random I don't really know what happened in the chat room. I didn't visit it today. What happened? As for the guy complaining about my condescending tone, I am just voicing my opinion as a member and not as a moderator. It is perfectly okay to agree or disagree with what I said. I am fine with that since I respect other people's point of view as well, just as I expect you to respect mine. Moderator, my username is my real name. You are a moderator more than a member. And it is condescending.
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Post by cilantro on Nov 25, 2012 9:49:13 GMT 8
all those factors written by butchok plus the fact that our thai neighbors pulled out all the stops to ensure no humiliating upset in their own turf and in the asean region's most prestigious tournament would occur.
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Post by shanks608 on Nov 25, 2012 9:53:03 GMT 8
The score should have been 1-1. The 2nd goal was clearly a mistake in our side: nanggigigil tayo makabawi kaya ayun.. they were able to score again. Mejo lumabas din yung pagiging tentative ni Sacapano to rush for the ball kaya ayun naka-evade yung Thai player. But still I don't blame Sacapano after all did is one of his only few international game he was in and it was a lapse from def and mid as well. The longball still irks me till this day. I dunno if its just the gamestyle we are playing. I just wish the Azkals could play better possession day. Ang daming nakakapanghinayang na possession nasasayang. Well anyway, I'm still proud of them. The goal by Mulders made me happy coz I thought we can't be able to score against their own turf. Well as for the Thais, yeah they have better possession game since theyve been playing together for so long. But honestly, I overrated them. Their pitch really sucks, it's comparable to Sri Lanka's. The Thai player resorted to sucky tactics. And the referees sucks. The Thais should have at least 2 players redcarded. Sacapano actually did the right thing in going out.. But he was just outmatched and was too short in making that sliding save. I think he did not get any touch on that ball. But great effort from him.
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 25, 2012 10:03:45 GMT 8
random I don't really know what happened in the chat room. I didn't visit it today. What happened? As for the guy complaining about my condescending tone, I am just voicing my opinion as a member and not as a moderator. It is perfectly okay to agree or disagree with what I said. I am fine with that since I respect other people's point of view as well, just as I expect you to respect mine. Moderator, my username is my real name. You are a moderator more than a member. And it is condescending. Well I don't really know which comment I made that you think was condescending since I was just stating facts from before, but I apologize for it anyways. I have always been pretty vocal about my opinions as oldtimers here know and most people appreciate it. Same thing with other mods. This is a forum after all where we are free to discuss and exchange ideas.
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Post by chololot12 on Nov 25, 2012 10:05:46 GMT 8
I never thought Muai Thai is effective in football...LOL.Thai really used their knee often...The worse thing they put on the back of the head..I been hit right on that spot and boom I got knock out..hhaa
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Post by eclipze013 on Nov 25, 2012 10:27:10 GMT 8
lot of errors on long ball as always . r. johnson what happen?? pls. beat vietnam !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2012 10:28:58 GMT 8
Slightly out of topic: Are they links to the full match? Wish to watch the 2nd half of the game again.
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Post by dlalata on Nov 25, 2012 10:34:56 GMT 8
Moderator, my username is my real name. You are a moderator more than a member. And it is condescending. Well I don't really know which comment I made that you think was condescending since I was just stating facts from before, but I apologize for it anyways. I have always been pretty vocal about my opinions as oldtimers here know and most people appreciate it. Same thing with other mods. This is a forum after all where we are free to discuss and exchange ideas. Moderator, I am just concerned about your use of these phrases: "So don't go around saying..." "You are shortchanging..." I understand that this is a public forum and any comments directed at the integrity of any person has implications, and one of them is libel because we are interacting here through the written word with so many readers (including those who are not members yet) and those who have become members and are able to post. I would like to suggest that everyone in this forum phrase comments this way, "Your comment about...." "The issue you raise regarding..." "Your statement is..." "Your assertion that..." Our statements should be directed at the comments made or issues raised and we should refrain from making any statements that may be interpreted as personal attacks on a person, his/her good name and his/her reputation. This is just a constructive suggestion towards making our conversations here issue-based. Nothing personal.
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Post by chololot12 on Nov 25, 2012 10:38:44 GMT 8
Slightly out of topic: Are they links to the full match? Wish to watch the 2nd half of the game again. try kombatsero.tk..register 1st..
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Post by cjeagle on Nov 25, 2012 10:48:41 GMT 8
Well I don't really know which comment I made that you think was condescending since I was just stating facts from before, but I apologize for it anyways. I have always been pretty vocal about my opinions as oldtimers here know and most people appreciate it. Same thing with other mods. This is a forum after all where we are free to discuss and exchange ideas. Moderator, I am just concerned about your use of these phrases: "So don't go around saying..." "You are shortchanging..." I understand that this is a public forum and any comments directed at the integrity of any person has implications, and one of them is libel because we are interacting here through the written word with so many readers (including those who are not members yet) and those who have become members and are able to post. I would like to suggest that everyone in this forum phrase comments this way, "Your comment about...." "The issue you raise regarding..." "Your statement is..." "Your assertion that..." Our statements should be directed at the comments made or issues raised and we should refrain from making any statements that may be interpreted as personal attacks on a person, his/her good name and his/her reputation. This is just a constructive suggestion towards making our conversations here issue-based. Nothing personal. Well as Manny Pacquaio likes saying "I am just doing my job. Nothing personal"(right after he knocks you out) ;D Honestly I don't see anything libelous about those statements. They are used quite often here in the States in ordinary conversation as a way of getting your point across and I have seen them used in many forums and not only in this one, although I acknowledge that it might have a different meaning in another cultural setting. Anyways I am always respectful of other's opinion and I will take your suggestion under advisement.
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Post by dlalata on Nov 25, 2012 11:06:34 GMT 8
Moderator, I am just concerned about your use of these phrases: "So don't go around saying..." "You are shortchanging..." I understand that this is a public forum and any comments directed at the integrity of any person has implications, and one of them is libel because we are interacting here through the written word with so many readers (including those who are not members yet) and those who have become members and are able to post. I would like to suggest that everyone in this forum phrase comments this way, "Your comment about...." "The issue you raise regarding..." "Your statement is..." "Your assertion that..." Our statements should be directed at the comments made or issues raised and we should refrain from making any statements that may be interpreted as personal attacks on a person, his/her good name and his/her reputation. This is just a constructive suggestion towards making our conversations here issue-based. Nothing personal. Well as Manny Pacquaio likes saying "I am just doing my job. Nothing personal" ;D Honestly I don't see anything libelous about those statements. They are used quite often here in the States in ordinary conversation as a way of getting your point across and I have seen them used in many forums and not only in this one, although I acknowledge that it might have a different meaning in another cultural setting. Anyways I am always respectful of other's opinion and I will take your suggestion under advisement. Moderator, it's also the legal setting when it comes to the written word. I understand the US cultural context but this is an international forum. It is only in the phrasing of our statements that we have to be concerned about without sacrificing our being vocal on certain issues. Thanks for taking this suggestion under advisement. I appreciate that.
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Post by curtlanceunited on Nov 25, 2012 11:16:23 GMT 8
To be honest, Teerasil might be a great player but for me, he's still not Premier League material. IMO, the only reason why Manchester City Signed him before is that, Thaksin Shinawatra was ManCity's owner back then.
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Post by badleftfoot on Nov 25, 2012 11:20:20 GMT 8
Mga kabayan, mainit lang siguro ulo natin dahil natalo tayo kanina ... at ok lang yan ... normal reaction sa mga supporters ... Pero, sa tingin ko, the score was justified ... since the azkals have gone up, this is the first time we played the "kicking" thais ... ok talo tayo ngayon ... next lang kayo ... next game natin, vietnam ... i am looking forward to a meaner azkals ... gamewise today... here's my view: gk - ed played about 5.5 to about 6 on 1-10 rating at 10 highest. back 4 - juani I only noticed after getting the elbow; jonsson was his usual work rate, no I cannot replace hime with anyone; rob gier frankly not much seen of him; cagara was VERY SOLID. Holding Mid - lucena was good; mulders was at his very efficient work rate; wings - chieffy showed his age; sub christaens should be starting. JYH should be starting if not complaining too much; forwards - angel dribbles/holds the ball too much-quicker on the release should make it quicker for the team to move forward; PYH - quality still there, butI wonder if toomuch marking makes sense for himto sub in and change the game the way he has been played in singapore and other games. Subs - christaens played solidly and has argument to start in place of chieffy; marwin - no difference against PYH to me; angel off might be better; reichelt - VERY strong argument to start. Go Azkals - beat Vietnam!!!
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