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Post by dingodile5 on Jul 20, 2013 0:07:04 GMT 8
This news made my day very bad. Too many reasons just to prevent Football to rise. Peping, Garcia vow not to give in to public clamor in SEAG selection rowBy Reuben Terrado July 18, 2013, 05:39 pm 330 THE two highest sports officials in the land on Thursday declared they won’t give in to “public clamor” as far as the selection of Philippine athletes to the 2013 Southeast Asian Games in Myanmar is concerned. Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) president Jose ‘Peping’ Cojuangco and Philippine Sports Commission (PSC) chairman Ritchie Garcia are one in saying that previous performances will remain as the yardstick on whether a team or an athlete can be included in the Philippine contingent to the December Games. “Hindi na bale kontrabida basta tama ang ginagawa ko,” Cojuangco stressed during the weekly POC program on DZSR Sports Radio 918. “What I’m trying to do is do the right thing na wala silang masasabi na na-discriminate or paborito.”Cojuangco was obviously referring to football, which has been clamoring to join the biennial meet even though the SEA Games Task Force has already thumbed down the possible inclusion of the men, women, and futsal teams since they didn’t pass the criteria of sure or potential gold winners. The appeal being made by football officials have drawn public support as they are even willing to fund their own trip just to participate in the biennial meet. The Task Force later on appeared to have softened its stance as football has eventually been included on the list of “entry by numbers” or the maximum number of participants a country will be sending. The final list of athletes will be submitted in October. For his part, Garcia admitted the government sports agency is “caught in the middle” as it still awaits for the final decision of the SEA Games Task Force and the POC. Garcia, however, agrees with Cojuangco that popularity should not weigh in the selection of playrs for the national contingent. “Assuming that we give in to a certain sport na alam naman natin na hindi qualified, just because it’s popular, do we have to give in to popular demand? If we give in, parang mob rule,” said Garcia. Cojuangco reiterated the Philippine Football Federation must prove the Under-23 men’s football team and the women’s squad could win a gold in the SEA Games. At the same time, he hinted that football officials should instead focus on developing the sport. “Let us not build up ourselves na pagkatapos, matatalo tayo, madi-disappoint lang ang mga kababayan natin. We are still in the buildup stage, let’s look into that,” said Cojuangco. Follow the writer on Twitter: @reubensports www.spin.ph/sports/psc-poc/news/poc-psc-wont-give-in-to-public-clamor-for-sea-games-participation
When does these two people end their term? If I'm not mistaked being the president of both PSC and POC has a fix term. They are the hindrances of PH Sports growth. For Conjuangco, it's to obvious he has favoritism to basketball since he has 3 basketball teams (Petron, San Miguel and Ginebra) which is owned by his relative Danding. BTW, you put another reason not to join them as the Volcanoes get massacred? Hey that's a World Cup so it's the battle of the best in the world. For them, they only favor two team sports based on performance: 1. Basketball (Mens and Womens) - it's too obvious to get gold since our neighbors are football crazy nations 2. Dragon Boat - got gold in recent World Dragon Boat Championship. BTW. Fingers crossed for football inclusion. Submission of the delegations list will be on October.
I'm supporting Congressman Yeng Guiao's proposal to junk PSC and POC and replace them with Department of Sports to control the PH Sports. I hope it will push through. Too pity Zubiri didn't win
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Post by dingodile5 on Jul 20, 2013 16:54:59 GMT 8
Think also the other side Fair Play: What if the POC and PSC are right?IN defense of their plan not to send a football team to the Southeast Asian Games, Philippine Olympic Committee chairman Peping Cojuangco said," Eh, kung biglan na-murder? I wonder who's going to be inspired. Kung pupunta tayo para lang mag practice, eh malaking kalokohan yan." He's right of course. A loss in the international scene would be a big heartbreak for Philippine sports. It would be a big setback that would kill the sport. That's why we should all send winners. Just like what happened to basketball in the Philippines. After that disappointing finish by the Centennial Team in the 1998 Asian Games, and the succeeding failure of the pro-laden team in the 2002 Busan Asian Games, where the country was a heartbeat away from a medal, all basketball players in the country were so disappointed that they all stopped playing hoops and started concentrating in school. All UAAP, NCAA, Cesafi and other collegiate players were also very disappointed and heartbroken that they stopped all their hoops dreams--mindful of avoiding another heartbreak--and started dreaming of becoming a writer. Ditto with Eduardo Buenavista, for years the face of running in the Philippines. Buenavista, the marathon record holder in the Philippines had a disappointing finish in the Athens Marathon--67th--and the running community was so heartbroken that sales of running-related gear fell to zero as all those who loved to run stopped running. Instead of taking to the streets or the trails, these weekend warriors took to the kitchen and started following their favorite athletes in Iron Chef America. Peping Cojuangco is right. These losses in the international scene--so heartbreaking--led to the demise of their sports. Because in this country, there’s no such thing as love of the game. We take to running, or shoot hoops BECAUSE of the national team. Nothing else. It's true with Philippine football too. After that 13-1 defeat to Indonesia in the Tiger Cup in 2002, all football-related activities in the Philippines stopped. Everybody was so heart-broken that not a single tournament was held for years, up until that 2010 breakthrough. And then, of course there's Manny Pacquiao. He beat Marco Antonio Barrera, leading to a surge of interest in boxing in the country, but his loss to Erik Morales two fights later was another heartbreak. It killed boxing, too. It was such a disappointment that I've heard some boxers hang up their gloves and instead of dreaming of success in the ring, they all wanted to be politicians. Pacquiao's loss also led to the early eliminations of Harry Tanamor and Mark Barriga, the much-touted gold-medal hopes, in the Beijing and London Olympics. Because Pacquiao lost, the two lost interesting in playing for the flag. That is why we must follow Peping Cojuangco's logic. We cannot send those who have no chance of winning the gold medal in the Southeast Asian Games, just as we shouldn't send the likes of Buenavista or other runners and swimmers in the Olympics because they don't have a chance of winning any medal, even if the Olympics start giving medals to those who make the top 45. You just can't do that. It will kill the sport. And Peping is just looking out for the welfare of Philippine sports. PSC chairman Ritchie Garcia is right too. We just can’t send teams who have the capacity to pay because as he said, “We cannot allow that kasi it’s not fair to the poorer teams who don’t have sponsors.” It’s not fair to the other NSAs who should have gotten PSC support—as mandated by law-- to join tournaments like the SEA Games because they don’t have the money to join. It’s all about being fair and rewarding NSAs who work hard for their sport. It’s not fair to sports like karatedo, wrestling, badminton, soft tennis, equestrian and table tennis. Sports that don’t have sponsors because they don’t have a pro league. Do you know which sport will easily get sponsors because of its appeal to the masses? -fighting! We should send them abroad! Yes, the POC and PSC are right. The guardians of the sport in the country have to be right. They have to be right, they must be right because if not, it means our country’s sports institutions are ran by imbe…..I mean men who should have retired two presidents ago. cebufootball.blogspot.com/2013/07/fair-play-what-if-poc-and-psc-are-right.html
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Post by materkush on Jul 20, 2013 17:43:33 GMT 8
F*** Piping he wanted to sell RMS and now he doesnt want our under 23 to attend witch D.Palami would pay for the fair ticket and other extra payment san k makakahanap nang ganitong systema only in the philippines.this old prick should retire his to old for the position and ang alam lng ata nito sumakay nang kabayo. let our under 23 play we wont win gold,but we wont be a laughing stock anymore,this kids is the future of football.
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Post by Dan Moritz on Jul 20, 2013 18:47:50 GMT 8
As an observer from abroad I could difinitely say this is a wrong reaction of the POC and PSC not to send the U-23 football team to the SEA Games. This is a great experience for the team to be there. And the team that would compose the U-23 are not new commers to the sport. Most of them are already playing in the UFL and even some of them are born and learned their trade abroad where football is a religion. And why are the POC and PSC big bosses always speaking they would only send teams that can guarrantee gold medals? Are these people 100% sure that the players they would send bring the gold medals? Don't they think that the other South East Asian countries are also preparing for this SEA Game? Instead of saying "If we lose then we will see where we are and work hard to there where we want to be", POC and PSC big bosses asked "what if they lose". It makes already observer from abroad sick to read this negative approach of these two bodies to the sport called Football. Football players are hard at taking. How many players in the history of Football had been injured and yet they stood up again and run several 90 minutes in the pitch after they have recovered from their injury? Football players learn more by losing than by winning (The English Azkal trainer)It is difinitely garbage to declare and say that if U-23 will lose in SEA Games football will lose popularity in the Philippines. And the POC chief is difinite wrong when he says "hindi na baleng kontrabida basta tama ang ginawa ko" It's like saying "I am the Boss I will decide". Football WILL NEVER lose the it's popularity and public interest even if the U-23 will lose, because there are people in the names like Dan Palami that would make sure Football will survive whatever it take and cost. And of course there are Germans who have started to support the beautuful game with their hard earned money and dedicated trainers and football players. Filipinos who are now starting to say "what if POC and PSC is right" should wake up. This forum is supposed to be a Forum for Football Fans, then be a Footbal Fan WIN or LOSE, forum members or not. In Germany win when our team wins we will go to the streets and celebrate. When our team lose we will cry with them and welcome them as heroes. We will inspire our team, support them to stand again and fight. If the Philippine people wants to promote Football then it is high time they have to slowly acquire the German/European mentality regarding this beautiful game.
SEA Games IS pattern like the Olympic Games only that participating nations are from Southeast Asia. None of the objectives of either SEA Games or Olympics Games states "A HUNDRED PERCENT SECURITY TO BRING GOLD MEDALS BACK HOME TO THE COUNTRY YOU ARE REPRESENTING"
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Post by dingodile5 on Jul 20, 2013 23:57:21 GMT 8
Well aside from football, The Dragon Boat Team is also in peril of not participating in the SEA Games despite we could get medals from them. Bad Peping Bickering leaves dragon boat's SEAG stint in peril By Reuben Terrado July 18, 2013, 07:49 pm THE participation of dragon boat in the 2013 Southeast Asian Games in Myanmar could be in peril following a standoff between some of its national athletes and the Philippine Canoe Kayak Federation (PCKF). Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) president Jose ‘Peping’ Cojuangco said it is forming an arbitration committee to resolve the issue after some members of the national team aired their grievances against PCKF acting president Jonne Go and head coach Len Escollante. The national dragon boat team is expected to crowd host country Myanmar for the gold medals in December after being recommended for inclusion by the SEA Games Task Force as one of only two teams in the Philippine delegation. But Cojuangco said as of the moment, its SEA Games participation hangs in the balance as the national athletes have refused to recognize the current PCKF leadership. “Hindi nila kinikilala ‘yung kanilang officers kaya tigil lahat,” said Cojuangco. The POC declined to elaborate on the complaint but a source said the national athletes expressed their intention to compete in the upcoming World Championships organized by the International Dragon Boat Federation this month. The world tournament is the same event where dragon boat paddlers from rival group Philippine Dragon Boat Federation (PDBF) won five gold medals in Tampa in 2011. Another source said the national paddlers are also questioning Escollante’s competence as dragon boat coach and the legitimacy of Go taking over as acting president following the death of longtime PCKF chief Dr. Sim Chi Tat. The POC stripped PDBF of recognition after a “directive” from the International Olympic Committee (IOC) saying that all dragon boat affairs will now be under canoe kayak. The PCKF-backed dragon boat team later won six gold medals in the World Dragon Boat Championship sanctioned by the world governing body of canoe-kayak. Cojuangco hinted the bickering involves monetary consideration. “Ang nabanggit ko sa kanila, huwag ninyo problemahin ang pera dahil may sweldo kayo sa military at sa PSC (Philippine Sports Commission),” said Cojuangco. www.spin.ph/sports/psc-poc/news/bickering-leaves-dragon-boats-seag-stint-in-peril
As of now, only basketball is the only team sport approved to participate as Conjuangco wants them because of sure Gold for that sport
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Post by strikerbon on Jul 21, 2013 10:18:34 GMT 8
if that's the case then what's the purpose of sending our athletes in the Olympics? if we follow the POC's logic of only sending athletes that can guarantee a medal, then they're insane! no one is assured of a gold medal, this is a sport, even the best players/teams in the world would suffer defeats. how can the POC talk about our team being trashed by the other Countries if we don't try? this is BS!
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Post by dingodile5 on Jul 23, 2013 23:44:50 GMT 8
Villaflor: A reminder to the POCBy Noel S. Villaflor Footnote Monday, July 22, 2013 I’VE sworn not to write about the Philippine Olympic Committee until it decides with finality on the fate of the U23 men’s football team. But I just find disturbing the reasons that POC president Jose “Peping” Cojuangco stated on why he’s not keen on sending the team to the Southeast Asian Games in Myanmar. Cojuangco maintains that the team must prove to the SEA Games Task Force and the Philippine Sports Commission that it has a chance of winning the gold. He then stressed the need for the team to detail such chances, including who it’s going up against. The POC president then tries to be coy when he says it’s “foolishness” for the football team to compete in the SEA Games to gain experience, or as he puts it, “para lang mag-practice” (just to practice). He cited the U23 football team’s failure in the last SEA Games to justify the need for a more stringent selection policy for athletes. But the more Cojuangco explains himself, the more he contradicts his statements. On one hand, he worries that “his countrymen” would get disappointed if the team fails against much stronger opposition, but at the same time he insists he won’t give in to the public clamor for the U23 football team to be included as delegates. But by not sending the U23 men’s team, despite offers by the football officials to shoulder expenses, the sports officials would have automatically caused disappointment to the public who would be deprived of the chance to support their team in the tournament. Cojuangco doesn’t want to disappoint the public, and at the same time won’t give in to public clamor. So which is which, Mr. Cojuangco: to please the public or not? I wonder what this concern about public sentiment is all about, because my take is Cojuangco couldn’t really care less about the public, just as much as the football community couldn’t really care less about the POC and PSC. In fact, before this whole issue blew up, the football community never took the POC and PSC to task for football’s shortcomings. Instead, the football community held the Philippine Football Federation responsible for all things football in the country. So when the U23 team faltered in the last SEA Games, the PFF and the U23 management took the brunt of criticism in online forums and social networking sites. They were pilloried over the debacle and its many other “failures” that led to such dismal performance, such as the lack of a grassroots program and poor management. Neither the POC nor the PSC were in the picture, as far as the football community was concerned. I just find it disturbing that all of a sudden the football community has become so important a factor—or excuse—in the decision-making process of the POC and PSC, never mind if this contradicts the idea behind the selection process based on stringent “scientific” criteria. Whatever the real reasons are, only the POC and PSC know. Again, the POC and PSC have hinted that they aren’t “closing the doors” yet to the U23 men’s team, as well as to women’s football and futsal squads. But all this uncertainty isn’t helping the teams at all. And demanding that they promise to bring home the gold is plain unreasonable. If this “gold or nothing policy” was the norm, there wouldn’t be sports tournaments like the SEA Games to speak off. For one, it goes against the Olympic Spirit, which isn’t about winning. Pierre de Coubertin, the founder of the International Olympic Committee, said it best: ““The important thing is not to win, but to take part.” Perhaps, Cojuangco and his ilk need to be reminded of what the “O” in POC means. Of course, who doesn’t want to win the gold? But the SEA Games selection criteria is a flawed one and does more harm than good to the country’s sports development, not just football. (nsvillaflor@gmail.com) www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/sports/2013/07/22/villaflor-reminder-poc-293825?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Post by stellarboy on Aug 5, 2013 12:39:57 GMT 8
PFF to join ‘make or break’ meeting to send U-23, women’s teams to SEAGBy Olmin Leyba (philstar.com) | Updated August 2, 2013 - 11:19am MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine Football Federation will try its best to convince the task force handling the screening of the country’s entries in the 27th Southeast Asian Games to give its under-23 and women’s teams and its futsal squads the green light to join the contingent when it presents its case before the body on Wednesday. PFF president Nonong Araneta and general-secretary Ed Gastanes will attend the “make-or-break” meeting with the task force. “We’re ready to justify the inclusion of the teams. We’re ready to submit documents and answer questions from the task force,” Gastanes told this writer. The U23 Azkals, the Malditas and the men’s and women’s football bets are fighting for their places in the delegation to Myanmar as the Philippine Olympic Committee and Philippine Sports Commission have expressed preference for individuals who have the potential to snare medals. In last Wednesday’s general assembly, the POC gave the PFF some sort of a lifeline by setting a “one-on-one meeting” with the federation, as well as other National Sports Associations seeking to catch the bus to the Myanmar meet. “We feel very strongly that football teams should be given the opportunity to represent flag and country. These teams have been training continuously and we see them as potential medalists, especially the U23 and the women’s team,” said Gastanes. Both the U23 Azkals and the Malditas are beefed up by players based overseas. Gastanes believes the current batch is stronger than the ones which competed in the 2011 edition in Indonesia. “Our women’s team is in fact the strongest we’ve ever had, primarily because of the mix of local and foreign-trained players,” he said of the Malditas, who are having a training camp in the US preparatory to their campaign in the Asean Football Federation Women’s Championship in October in Mandalay, Myanmar and also the SEA Games proper in December. He recalled that when the Malditas played regional power Thailand in the AFC Asian Women’s Cup qualifiers last May, they lost a close 0-1 decision. The U-23 Azkals, for their part, played their Singaporean counterparts in an international friendly last June and dropped a 0-1 verdict. The PFF exec noted that the Singaporeans paraded the core of the Lions XII club in the M-League against a team that didn’t have the Azkals mainstays at that time. “Our under-23 is stronger than the team two years ago and we’ve formed the nucleus of the team earlier than usual, six months before competition which gives them enough time to prepare,” he said. www.philstar.com/sports/2013/08/02/1043261/pff-join-make-or-break-meeting-send-u-23-womens-teams-seag
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Aug 6, 2013 9:48:23 GMT 8
Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote, "tis better to have loved and lost, then never to have loved at all." I think the PSC/POC failed their literature course and instead use the slogan, "tis better to stay home and sulk, so we never have to lose at all"
I mean c'mon guys, really. how can the PSC/POC look anyone in the eye with their hands on heart and say theirs is a serious position with only the best interests of the sport at heart? The leaders of these bodies are a caricature of sports leadership, if they think only medal winners should participate. I am only too happy that no one else in the entire world follows their convoluted logic, because if they did the Olympics would be a pretty lonely place with only three or four participants per event.
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Post by chizcake on Aug 6, 2013 9:52:50 GMT 8
im sorry , but been an athlete before and regardless if they will be allowed or not (regardless of event) , i can feel that there is already a crack in the bottle. its demotivating for an athlete to know that they will not play because they are not sure to win.... damn masakit un sobra....
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Post by strikerbon on Aug 6, 2013 10:52:39 GMT 8
im sorry , but been an athlete before and regardless if they will be allowed or not (regardless of event) , i can feel that there is already a crack in the bottle. its demotivating for an athlete to know that they will not play because they are not sure to win.... damn masakit un sobra.... i agree with you. POC is the dream killer of our aspiring athletes
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Post by teddyandtimmysdad on Aug 6, 2013 23:17:06 GMT 8
Memo to Mr. Araneta - please remind members of the PSC/POC leadership of the Olympic Creed - "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."
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Post by opn on Aug 7, 2013 21:38:27 GMT 8
Memo to Mr. Araneta - please remind members of the PSC/POC leadership of the Olympic Creed - "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well." A-freaking-MEN. The bullcrap these SOBs at POC/PSC comes up with as their excuse for not sending athletes must have Pierre de Coubertain rolling in his grave.
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Post by stellarboy on Aug 8, 2013 9:49:05 GMT 8
Phl Azkals, Malditas Myanmar bound?By Olmin Leyba (The Philippine Star) | Updated August 8, 2013 - 12:00am MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine under-23 football team and the women’s side Malditas may get to compete in the 27th Southeast Asian Games in Myanmar, after all. This after a meeting between Southeast Asian Games task force of the Philippine Olympic Commitee and the Philippin Sports Commission and the Philippine Football Federation (PFF) proved “very positive” and opened the doors for the possible inclusion of the Azkals U-23 and the Malditas in the Phl delegation. “It was a very positive meeting with football (officials),” chef de mission Jeff Tamayo told The STAR after yesterday’s morning meeting with PFF president Nonong Araneta and secretary-general Ed Gastanes. PFF officials apparently convinced the task force on the qualifications of the Malditas and got the body “70-75 percent” impressed with the credentials of the Azkals U-23. The task force, according to Tamayo, will make report its findings to POC president Peping Cojuangco and PSC chairman Richie Garcia, who will have the final say on whether the two squads will go. “Ang Malditas ang talagang may record na super ganda because of performance (Malditas have an impressive record as shown by their performance in a recent international tournament),” said Tamayo after being told of the Malditas’ upset win over higher-ranked Iran in the AFC Women’s Asian Cup Qualifiers last summer. “As far as the task force is concerned, we’re okay with the women’s team.” As to the U-23, Tamayo said they are giving consideration to the fact that eight mainstays of the team are members of the Azkals men’s team while others are playing competitively in local leagues like the United Football League. “If we look at the team individually, maling sila (They’re good). As a team, they might not have won big tournaments but as individuals, they have a number of achievements na mataas,” he said. It also helped football’s cause that the federation head, Araneta, himself, attended the meeting and that even the Asian Football Confederation wrote the POC about the sport. Unlike the Azkals U-23 and Malditas, however, the men’s and women’s futsal teams, are ruled out of the Phl contingent for good as they weren’t part of the initial “entry by numbers” submitted by the POC to Myanmar organizers. “It looks promising. The meeting was very positive. From the look of things, they will recommend us subject to final approval from POC and PSC,” Araneta told The STAR yesterday. www.philstar.com/sports/2013/08/08/1066341/phl-azkals-malditas-myanmar-bound
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Post by chizcake on Aug 10, 2013 9:05:59 GMT 8
awaiting the results of this...
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