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Post by jornutzon on Dec 15, 2014 1:04:42 GMT 8
Sir Caz already spelled out my thoughts eloquently. I myself am a big fan of Shrock but to blame it all on Dooley is just wrong on so many levels when both sides have been at fault. We should take off our fanboy glasses sometimes. If Shrock really wants to play for the country, then he should be the first one to seek reconciliation with the staff. My humble opinion, anyway.
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Post by faridoon on Dec 15, 2014 6:28:52 GMT 8
I'm not a fan of a certain player, I support any other National Team of the Philippines. Thomas Dooley is a good developmental coach and it is good for Philippines football that many local based Filipinos are given chance to to play for the Azkals. But at this point the Azkals need their foreign based players to reach to the next level, even powerhouse South Korea and Japan needs their players that are playing in Europe. It is just a matter of communication for both side, but financially-wise Dan Palami is spending less now with the absence of many foreign based players. Maybe as long as Thomas Dooley is the head coach of the Azkals, I will not expect Etheridge, Schrock to play again for the Azkals and Ingreso, Palla and many other promising foreign-based Filipinos to play for the Azkals. Maybe they will convince Mike Ott to play because of his brother.As long as Thomas Dooley is the coach and he prefers local-based player than foreign based player, don't expect too much for the Azkals in next year qualifying round of World Cup. Maybe 6 years from now we will see the benefits of Dooley's developmental coaching(Aguinaldo, Sato)..
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Post by paulino19 on Dec 15, 2014 22:30:54 GMT 8
In Dooley's press conference responding to Schrock's exit, he said that Schrock can't play tactical football, which is why he never made it in the Bundesliga. He also said that he told Schrock to play a specific way given his position towards the end of the Challenge Cup, and Schrocky didn't do it all. He said either Schrocky didn't understand or just didn't want to. If Schrock even thinks about coming back to the Azkals, he would have to "beg" Dooley. It would not be the other way around. I've been using "beg" lately because it's a term that applies to the national team. "Begging" people to watch the biggest football tournament in Southeast Asia, and renegade players "begging" the Gaffer to come back and play, if they want to continue their international careers. "Begging" for financial backing. A lot of "begging." Coming from Thomas Dooley whose only experience as head coach for FC Saarbrücken in 2002 playing in Regionalliga Süd and was a 3rd tier of the German football league system of that time.. Coming from Thomas Dooley who has played in the Bundesliga and won the UEFA Cup, German Cup and Bundesliga title. Oh, and he has played in two World Cups. More than enough for Philippine football at the moment.
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Post by paulino19 on Dec 15, 2014 22:35:51 GMT 8
Sir Caz already spelled out my thoughts eloquently. I myself am a big fan of Shrock but to blame it all on Dooley is just wrong on so many levels when both sides have been at fault. We should take off our fanboy glasses sometimes. If Shrock really wants to play for the country, then he should be the first one to seek reconciliation with the staff. My humble opinion, anyway. Yes, take the fan boy glasses off, as far as the poster boy players are concerned. And look at what Dooley has done in such a short amount of time with limited resources. He has done an excellent job. I admit that I was not all that excited when he first came on board, but it is quite impressive the amount of work he has put in to the national team and the mentality he has instilled in his players.
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Post by paulino19 on Dec 16, 2014 0:31:13 GMT 8
So just because Dooley is a low-tier FC coach, he isn't qualified to criticize Schrock? In Dooley's press conference responding to Schrock's exit, he said that Schrock can't play tactical football, which is why he never made it in the Bundesliga.That is a low blow!!!He helped his club Greuther Furth in promotion to Bundesliga. Stephan Schrock played for the Azkals because he is a Filipino and he loves the Philippines while Thomas Dooley is only here for the job. "Manalo matalo ang Azkals Filipino parin si Stephan Schrock but si Thomas Dooley ay pwedeng palitan". A good coach should talk to his player privately if there is some misunderstanding. Dooley is belittling Stephan because as a player he is by miles had a better achievements than Stephan but he is now talking as a coach not as a player and his achievements as a coach or manager is not that impressive, and he said that Schrock can't play tactical football??? Stephan is a Filipino and he is the best Azkals player right now. Schrock and Dooley are both of German descent ... so, low blow? The comments passed from one German to another. Fair game. Belittling? What do you think Schrocky did? You think Schrocky was politically correct in his opinions about Dooley? I think not.
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Post by paulino19 on Dec 16, 2014 0:41:04 GMT 8
Dooley's system works for all players. Not just the so-called superstars. And if the so-called superstars refuse to integrate themselves into the new system because they can no longer run around the pitch like chickens with their heads cut off, then auf wiedersehen.
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Post by hat3trick on Dec 17, 2014 0:48:32 GMT 8
Everything works for Dooley. He got the sympathy of Local Players and Fans, He is Intelligent anyway. Making the boss believe that we don't need to spend a lot of money to bring top class players.
I haven't heard about scouting reports now? new talents.
Just spend it in other ways that is his motto.
Anyway, How much is the salary of Dooley anyone here have an idea? Is it for free??? For me Dooley is still an intern coach with lack of decision making in every important games.
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Post by orangepink on Dec 17, 2014 1:34:03 GMT 8
I don't think its only Coach Dooley who decides about bringing in overseas Filipino players. Bear in mind that during the AFC Challenge Cup, PFF had a big deficit already - in million peso figures (I just can't remember the exact figure nor where I read that article online). But they did lose a lot of money. Remember the press conference held by the PFF after Shrocky and Cagara expressed their opinion about the coach and PFF management? Coach Dooley mentioned a bit on why certain local players were chosen over foreign-based players - budget/expense was one of them.
Budget is one of the major reasons and problems when it comes to training and getting the best players overseas. Perhaps, right from the start, Coach Dooley was tasked to make use of local resources for budget reasons and also to improve local football.
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Post by paulino19 on Dec 17, 2014 7:59:03 GMT 8
Everything works for Dooley. He got the sympathy of Local Players and Fans, He is Intelligent anyway. Making the boss believe that we don't need to spend a lot of money to bring top class players. I haven't heard about scouting reports now? new talents. Just spend it in other ways that is his motto. Anyway, How much is the salary of Dooley anyone here have an idea? Is it for free??? For me Dooley is still an intern coach with lack of decision making in every important games. Why don't you just persuade Pep Guardiola to leave Bayern? Better yet, get Alex Ferguson, since he's not coaching ManU anymore? Dooley is about gradual development. Not immediate gratification. Spending money on unnecessary resources is something he's always pointed out. Schrock doesn't play anymore? So what? Cagara gone? So what? It's only been four years since Hanoi, and the team has accomplished more than they have in the past 30 years. I would love to have seen them advance to the finals, but it was clearly obvious in the latter stages that it's not their time. Playing in front of 60,000 plus is not something the team is accustomed to. They're not used to playing with that kind of pressure regularly ... and they weren't even expected to win that match. And that no. 1 ranking in SE Asia is ridiculous because it doesn't represent what is truly happening in Philippine football. We may have pounded Indonesia, but they will come back easily to avenge that loss because they have an unlimited supply of resources. You cannot continue to bring overseas players in with the PFF's measly budget. Work with what you have available to you. Plant the seed. Nurture it when it's growing. Help it to blossom. You're only thinking about the short term. We've all been talking about long-term development. This type of growth does not happen overnight. Not even in four years time ... especially when the PFF is rotting away in the north of the country and mildly neglecting football's strong base further south. They keep this up and it will take a long time. And if that's the road they decide to take, then we'll have to suffer a little longer.
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Post by mike fil montz on Dec 17, 2014 11:52:32 GMT 8
Everything works for Dooley. He got the sympathy of Local Players and Fans, He is Intelligent anyway. Making the boss believe that we don't need to spend a lot of money to bring top class players. I haven't heard about scouting reports now? new talents. Just spend it in other ways that is his motto. Anyway, How much is the salary of Dooley anyone here have an idea? Is it for free??? For me Dooley is still an intern coach with lack of decision making in every important games. Why don't you just persuade Pep Guardiola to leave Bayern? Better yet, get Alex Ferguson, since he's not coaching ManU anymore? Dooley is about gradual development. Not immediate gratification. Spending money on unnecessary resources is something he's always pointed out. Schrock doesn't play anymore? So what? Cagara gone? So what? It's only been four years since Hanoi, and the team has accomplished more than they have in the past 30 years. I would love to have seen them advance to the finals, but it was clearly obvious in the latter stages that it's not their time. Playing in front of 60,000 plus is not something the team is accustomed to. They're not used to playing with that kind of pressure regularly ... and they weren't even expected to win that match. And that no. 1 ranking in SE Asia is ridiculous because it doesn't represent what is truly happening in Philippine football. We may have pounded Indonesia, but they will come back easily to avenge that loss because they have an unlimited supply of resources. You cannot continue to bring overseas players in with the PFF's measly budget. Work with what you have available to you. Plant the seed. Nurture it when it's growing. Help it to blossom. You're only thinking about the short term. We've all been talking about long-term development. This type of growth does not happen overnight. Not even in four years time ... especially when the PFF is rotting away in the north of the country and mildly neglecting football's strong base further south. They keep this up and it will take a long time. And if that's the road they decide to take, then we'll have to suffer a little longer. I agree with sir paulino19. What we need is progress., not perfection. Let us prepare our mindset that football is not just a system but a culture. Stop pinpointing on people (Shrock, Cagara, Weiss, Dooley, PFF, POC) who's primary objective is to develop the SPORT further in our country. We may have "issues" here and there, do not let those "hinder" our progress. Let us be grateful we have accomplished so many in so little time, and start supporting the next generation.
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Post by lurker on Dec 17, 2014 12:43:54 GMT 8
Sir Caz already spelled out my thoughts eloquently. I myself am a big fan of Shrock but to blame it all on Dooley is just wrong on so many levels when both sides have been at fault. We should take off our fanboy glasses sometimes. If Shrock really wants to play for the country, then he should be the first one to seek reconciliation with the staff. My humble opinion, anyway. Dooley deserves all the blame for his ranting. Schrock had already been benched. Management was on Dooley's side. But his below the belt comments have made it almost impossible for Schrock to seek reconciliation with management.
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Post by boybato on Dec 17, 2014 13:40:27 GMT 8
Everything works for Dooley. He got the sympathy of Local Players and Fans, He is Intelligent anyway. Making the boss believe that we don't need to spend a lot of money to bring top class players. I haven't heard about scouting reports now? new talents. Just spend it in other ways that is his motto. Anyway, How much is the salary of Dooley anyone here have an idea? Is it for free??? For me Dooley is still an intern coach with lack of decision making in every important games. Why don't you just persuade Pep Guardiola to leave Bayern? Better yet, get Alex Ferguson, since he's not coaching ManU anymore? Dooley is about gradual development. Not immediate gratification. Spending money on unnecessary resources is something he's always pointed out. Schrock doesn't play anymore? So what? Cagara gone? So what? It's only been four years since Hanoi, and the team has accomplished more than they have in the past 30 years. I would love to have seen them advance to the finals, but it was clearly obvious in the latter stages that it's not their time. Playing in front of 60,000 plus is not something the team is accustomed to. They're not used to playing with that kind of pressure regularly ... and they weren't even expected to win that match. And that no. 1 ranking in SE Asia is ridiculous because it doesn't represent what is truly happening in Philippine football. We may have pounded Indonesia, but they will come back easily to avenge that loss because they have an unlimited supply of resources. You cannot continue to bring overseas players in with the PFF's measly budget. Work with what you have available to you. Plant the seed. Nurture it when it's growing. Help it to blossom. You're only thinking about the short term. We've all been talking about long-term development. This type of growth does not happen overnight. Not even in four years time ... especially when the PFF is rotting away in the north of the country and mildly neglecting football's strong base further south. They keep this up and it will take a long time. And if that's the road they decide to take, then we'll have to suffer a little longer. Easy there Mr. Football! At the end of the day, if you want to grow football in the Philippines you will need to keep the "bandwagoner" on their seat to support the growth and provide resources. For that to happen the Azkals will need to keep on winning. The Azkals need the Schrock, Etheridge, Younghusband keep the bandwagonners seated to continue the growth of this game in the Philippines. You think the Sato and Daniels sells ticket and promote the game? I dont believe so, not to a Schrock or Etheridge extent atleast... Mr and Mrs. Football like you couldnt even sellout Rizal in the semi-finals of the biggest tournament in SEA! You talk about long term and you dismiss Northern Philippines? For this game to grow long term in the Philippines, you need Luzon not the Visayas, not the Mindanao! Sure you can pack stadiums in Cebu right now, but in the long run you need to fill up Rizal or the Phil Stadium not just Panaad.
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Post by mike fil montz on Dec 17, 2014 14:12:58 GMT 8
Why don't you just persuade Pep Guardiola to leave Bayern? Better yet, get Alex Ferguson, since he's not coaching ManU anymore? Dooley is about gradual development. Not immediate gratification. Spending money on unnecessary resources is something he's always pointed out. Schrock doesn't play anymore? So what? Cagara gone? So what? It's only been four years since Hanoi, and the team has accomplished more than they have in the past 30 years. I would love to have seen them advance to the finals, but it was clearly obvious in the latter stages that it's not their time. Playing in front of 60,000 plus is not something the team is accustomed to. They're not used to playing with that kind of pressure regularly ... and they weren't even expected to win that match. And that no. 1 ranking in SE Asia is ridiculous because it doesn't represent what is truly happening in Philippine football. We may have pounded Indonesia, but they will come back easily to avenge that loss because they have an unlimited supply of resources. You cannot continue to bring overseas players in with the PFF's measly budget. Work with what you have available to you. Plant the seed. Nurture it when it's growing. Help it to blossom. You're only thinking about the short term. We've all been talking about long-term development. This type of growth does not happen overnight. Not even in four years time ... especially when the PFF is rotting away in the north of the country and mildly neglecting football's strong base further south. They keep this up and it will take a long time. And if that's the road they decide to take, then we'll have to suffer a little longer. Easy there Mr. Football! At the end of the day, if you want to grow football in the Philippines you will need to keep the "bandwagoner" on their seat to support the growth and provide resources. For that to happen the Azkals will need to keep on winning. The Azkals need the Schrock, Etheridge, Younghusband keep the bandwagonners seated to continue the growth of this game in the Philippines. You think the Sato and Daniels sells ticket and promote the game? I dont believe so, not to a Schrock or Etheridge extent atleast... Mr and Mrs. Football like you couldnt even sellout Rizal in the semi-finals of the biggest tournament in SEA! You talk about long term and you dismiss Northern Philippines? For this game to grow long term in the Philippines, you need Luzon not the Visayas, not the Mindanao! Sure you can pack stadiums in Cebu right now, but in the long run you need to fill up Rizal or the Phil Stadium not just Panaad. I beg to disagree sir boybato. What we really need is stability, not popularity. Winning all the time doesn't guarantee us more future attendance, its more of a marketing issue considering Phil's #1 sport today is still basketball amongst others. Schrock, Etheridge, etc may draw out some fans but its the entire team whom true fans will come to watch, winning or losing. Bandwagonners are common to uprising NFT's, they will come and go. True fans last a lifetime. Mr. hat3rick is not explicitly implying dissing out Luzon, rather stating the fact to sort out infra on other locations. RMS and Phil.Stadium maybe the most viable venues of today, but in the near future Visayas & Mindanao will have also. What I really learn in playing this sport (for half of my life) is that stability needs perseverance and a lot of patience. Fans need to do the same.
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Post by buddha on Dec 17, 2014 16:31:57 GMT 8
Have you guys seen the stats on the 2nd leg?
POSSESSION Thailand.........Philippines 48.7%.........51.3% SHOT ACCURACY Thailand.........Philippines 31.3%.........60% TOTAL PASSES Thailand.........Philippines 356...........375 PASSING ACCURACY Thailand.........Philippines 73.9%.........74.9% PASSING ACCURACY IN OPPONENT'S HALF Thailand.........Philippines 63.7%.........63%
(http://www.affsuzukicup.com/2014/finals.html)
At first glance it seems that we shouldn't be at the losing end because we seem to have the game under control especially when it came to passing & possession. But there are many things in football that cannot be quantified. For instance, the quality of the final pass to Thawikan and his ability to shield the ball before quickly lifting his head up to pick his shot. The fact that he had the presence of mind to look up speaks volumes of his quality. You can't put a number to that.
Or the fact that when you study our heat map it becomes obvious that our passes & possession play is limited to our defensive & middle third.
POSSESSION IN & OF ITSELF DO NOT WIN MATCHES The key, it seems, is in transitions. The team that can take advantage of space when possession changes (whether it's defending your space or attacking your opponent's space) as fast as possible with minimal mistakes stand the best chance of winning. What we witnessed in Rajamangala was a masterclass in quick transitions.
THIS IS WHERE DOOLEY COMES IN Post-modern thought on transitions in football appear to be something that the Germans have mastered - from Bayern to Dormund to Die Fußballnationalmannschaft. From Klinsmann to Loew to Klopp. In fact, the current US Soccer curriculum pays special attention to transitions.
I believe this is something Dooley could imprint on our football culture. I admit I once thought Weiss was the Messiah who could get us zipping the ball around with aplomb like the Germans but instead our football under his watch was at best blah and excruciating at it's worst.
Dooley's first game in charge of the Azkals was a shock to the system after the tepid, stilted football of Weiss. It was like a page off the US Soccer curriculum. The 4-2-3-1. The ball played out from the back with patient possession. The explosion into space at moments of transition. One touch football. Beautiful raking diagonal passes finding free runners in open space.
While the national team's performance isn't up there yet at least one thing's clear: the coach has a strong vision of how football should be played and he is laying down the foundations of a beautiful football system.
Keep the coach.
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Post by cjeagle on Dec 18, 2014 2:36:43 GMT 8
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